CAPTIONING APRIL 2, 2009 BOCC PUBLIC HEARING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS - 1st CYCLE 2009 ***This is not an official, verbatim transcript of the ***following meeting. It should be used for informational ***purposes only. This document has not been edited; ***therefore, there may be additions, deletions, or words ***that did not translate. >>KEN HAGAN: GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. TONIGHT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WILL HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING ON AMENDMENTS TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THIS HEARING WILL BE TO CONSIDER TRANSMITTAL OF THESE PLAN AMENDMENTS TO THE FUTURE OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS PART OF THE FIRST CYCLE OF PLAN AMENDMENTS FOR 2009. THIS HEARING IS A CONTINUANCE FROM A MARCH 19th, 2009, PUBLIC HEARING WHERE THE BOARD WAS CONSIDERING PLAN AMENDMENTS TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. NOW I'LL HAVE -- MR. STEPHEN GRIFFIN OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL NOW PRESENT AN OVERVIEW OF TONIGHT'S HEARINGS. >>STEVE GRIFFIN: THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. TONIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, YOU WILL COMPLETE YOUR TRANSMITTAL PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE PROPOSED PLAN AMENDMENTS THAT ARE PART OF THE FIRST CYCLE OF PLAN AMENDMENTS FOR 2009. TONIGHT'S HEARING IS THE CONTINUATION OF THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT YOU HELD ON MARCH 19th, 2009. THIS EVENING THE BOARD WILL HEAR PRESENTATIONS BY STAFF AND THE APPLICANT ON TWO PLAN AMENDMENT APPLICATIONS, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT 08-09 AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT 09-01. THE BOARD WILL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THESE PROPOSED PLAN AMENDMENTS THAT ARE BEING CONSIDERED FOR TRANSMITTAL TO THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY AFFAIRS FOR STATE REVIEW. AT THE END OF THE PUBLIC HEARING AND -- PUBLIC COMMENTS -- EXCUSE ME, AT THE END OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE A REBUTTAL OPPORTUNITY, AND THEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THESE AMENDMENTS WILL BE CLOSED, AND THE BOARD SHALL CONSIDER A VOTE ON THESE AMENDMENTS TO TRANSMIT TO THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY AFFAIRS. AT THE CONCLUSION OF TONIGHT'S HEARING, THE BOARD WILL TAKE FINAL ACTION ON A RESOLUTION TO TRANSMIT THE PLAN AMENDMENTS BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS CONSIDERED ON MARCH 19th AND APRIL 2nd, 2009, TO DCA FOR REVIEW. STATE STATUTE PROVIDES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR INTERESTED CITIZENS TO RECEIVE A COURTESY INFORMATION STATEMENT REGARDING THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY AFFAIRS' NOTICE OF INTENT. THE NOTICE OF INTENT IS THE FINAL ACTION OF THE DEPARTMENT AFTER THESE AMENDMENTS PROCEED COMPLETELY THROUGH THE AMENDMENT PROCESS. ANY CITIZEN WISHING TO RECEIVE THIS INFORMATION STATEMENT FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY AFFAIRS SHALL PROVIDE THEIR NAME, ADDRESS ON THE SIGN-IN SHEET LOCATED WITH THE RECORDING SECRETARY TO MY LEFT. AND WITH THAT, COMMISSIONERS, WE CAN BEGIN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I WILL BE DOING A PRESENTATION THAT WILL COMBINE BOTH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT 08-09 AND 09-01. THIS IS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT 08-09 AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT 09-01. COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT 08-09 AND 09-01 DID HAVE SOME PREVIOUS ACTIONS IN THE PAST. COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT 09-01 WAS PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED AS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT 08-10. THAT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED -- OR REQUESTED FOR 305 ACRES. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT IS NOW DOWN TO 36.5 ACRES. THE FIRST AMENDMENT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOUND INCONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SUBSEQUENTLY THE APPLICATION, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT 08-10 WAS WITHDRAWN BY THE APPLICANT BEFORE THE BOARD COULD TAKE ANY ACTION ON IT. COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT 08-09 WAS CONTINUED FROM ROUND ONE OF 2008. SPECIFICALLY, THERE WAS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT ACTION ON THIS SITE. THIS APPLICATION WAS APPROVED TO ALLOW LAND EXCAVATION, AND IT DOES DESIGNATE THE SITE, THE 36.5 ACRES, AS SIGNIFICANT WILDLIFE HABITAT PRESERVATION AREA. COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT 08-09 IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE LAND USE CATEGORY FROM AGRICULTURAL RURAL, ONE UNIT PER FIVE ACRES, AND RESIDENTIAL-1 TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT CATEGORY SUBURBAN MIXED USE-6 THAT ALLOWS RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT UP TO SIX UNITS TO THE ACRE, IT ALSO ALLOWS COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT UP TO A MAXIMUM OF 175,000 SQUARE FEET, AND IT ALSO ALLOWS INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT WHAT YOU SEE IS A TYPICAL EXAMPLE OF THOSE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS IN SUBURBAN MIXED USE-6. THE RESULTS OF THIS AMENDMENT WOULD INCREASE THE DENSITY ON THIS 36-ACRE SITE FROM SEVEN UNITS TO APPROXIMATELY 219 UNITS. IT WOULD INCREASE THE ALLOWABLE SQUARE FOOTAGE FROM 40,000 SQUARE FEET UP TO 175,000 SQUARE FEET, AND IT WOULD PERMIT INTENSIVE NONRESIDENTIAL USES, AS SMU-6 DOES ALLOW LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES. THE MAP AMENDMENT ALSO WOULD EXPAND THE URBAN SERVICE AREA ON THE 36-ACRE SITE AND BRING IT INTO THE URBAN SERVICE AREA. AS YOU CAN SEE ON YOUR SCREEN, THE BLUE LINE IS THE URBAN SERVICE AREA BOUNDARY, AND THIS SITE HAS REQUESTED TO BE PART OF THE URBAN SERVICE AREA. THAT WOULD ALLOW EXTENSION AND A CONNECTION TO THE WATER AND WASTEWATER. ADDITIONALLY, AS A PART OF COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT 09- 01, THEY REQUESTED A TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE LIVABLE COMMUNITIES ELEMENT TO REMOVE THIS 36-ACRE SITE FROM THE BOUNDARIES OF THE KEYSTONE-ODESSA COMMUNITY PLAN. THIS IS THE CURRENT ADOPTIVE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SHOWING THE SITE'S LAND USE CATEGORY OF AGRICULTURAL RURAL AND RESIDENTIAL-1. THIS IS THE PROPOSED REQUEST ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO CHANGE IT TO SUBURBAN MIXED USE-6. THIS IS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN 09-01, WHICH WOULD REMOVE IT FROM THE KEYSTONE-ODESSA COMMUNITY PLAN AREA. THE HATCHED AREA IS THE BOUNDARIES OF THE KEYSTONE-ODESSA COMMUNITY PLAN, SO THERE WOULD BE PART OF THE KEYSTONE- ODESSA PLAN THAT WOULD BE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THIS PROPERTY, AND THIS WOULD BE SORT OF LIKE A DOUGHNUT HOLE THAT'S IN THE KEYSTONE-ODESSA COMMUNITY PLAN. THIS SHOWS THE EXISTING LAND USES IN THE AREA WITH THE YELLOW SHOWING SINGLE-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT AND THE SORT OF GREENISH COLOR SHOWING THE AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT, THE BLUE SHOWS PUBLICLY OWNED LANDS. THIS IS A DEPICTION OF THE SITE FROM THE AIR. AS YOU CAN SEE, YOU HAVE LUTZ-LAKE FERN ROAD HERE TO THE SOUTH, THE SUNCOAST PARKWAY IS OVER TO THE EAST, THIS IS RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT TO THE SOUTH OF THE SITE. AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT HAS NO RELATIONSHIP TO THE PROPERTY. IT'S ALL FACING INTERNAL TO THE SITE. ALL THE HOMES BACK UP TO THE SITE. THEY ALL ACCESS THIS ROAD HERE, WHICH TAKES THIS ACCESS FURTHER TO THE EAST DOWN TO TPC BOULEVARD, WHICH IS ABOUT ONE MILE AWAY, BEFORE THEY ACCESS LUTZ-LAKE FERN ROAD. ADDITIONALLY, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A WALL HERE, SO THERE'S NO ACCESS FROM THIS COMMUNITY TO LUTZ-LAKE FERN ROAD. WE DID RECEIVE AGENCY COMMENTS FROM VARIOUS AGENCIES. I WON'T RUN THROUGH THEM. THEY'RE PROMINENT ON YOUR SCREEN, AND THEY ARE ON YOUR BACKUP. AGAIN, THESE ARE SOME AGENCIES THAT DID MAKE COMMENTS. WE DID GET COMMENTS FROM THE PLANNING AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT THAT HAD SOME SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS WITH REGARD TO THIS APPLICATION 09-01. GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE SITE CHARACTERISTICS, THIS SITE IS AT THE INTERSECTION OF LUTZ-LAKE FERN ROAD AND SUNCOAST PARKWAY ON THE WESTERN BOUNDARY. LUTZ-LAKE FERN ROAD IS A TWO-LANE CONSTRAINED ROAD TO THE WEST OF THE SUNCOAST INTERCHANGE AND TO THE EAST OF THE SUNCOAST INTERCHANGE IT IS TO BE WIDENED TO FOUR LANES. THE SUNCOAST PARKWAY WAS CONSTRUCTED -- EXCUSE ME, THE INTERCHANGE THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION NOW WILL BE COMPLETED SOMETIME THIS YEAR. THE SUNCOAST PARKWAY WAS CONSTRUCTED -- STARTED CONSTRUCTION IN 1998 AND OPENED IN 2001. WHEN THE KEYSTONE COMMUNITY PLAN BEGAN IN 1998, THAT PLAN RECOGNIZED THE CONSTRUCTION AND THE PRESENCE OF THE SUNCOAST PARKWAY. THE KEYSTONE-ODESSA COMMUNITY PLAN BECAME EFFECTIVE IN 2001. SO THE KEYSTONE COMMUNITY PLAN KNEW THAT THE SUNCOAST PARKWAY WAS GOING TO BE IN THEIR AREA, AND MADE ACCOMMODATIONS FOR IT IN PLANNING FOR THEIR COMMUNITY PLAN. ALSO THIS SITE IS IN THE POTABLE WATER PROTECTION IMPACT ZONE ONE. THIS PROPOSED SITE IS COMPOSED OF 67% OF THE SITE BEING WETLANDS. WE DID HAVE AN ORIGINAL OBJECTION FROM THE EPC WHEN THE SITE WAS ORIGINALLY 305 ACRES, BUT WHEN THEY REDUCED THE APPLICATION TO 36 ACRES, EPC DID REMOVE THEIR OBJECTION, BUT THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY -- THERE NEEDED TO BE MEASURES IN PLACE TO ENSURE THAT THERE WERE GOING TO BE NO IMPACTS TO THE WETLANDS. THIS SITE IS SIGNIFICANT WILDLIFE HABITAT. IT WAS FIELD VERIFIED BY THE PLANNING AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT AS A PART OF THE SPECIAL USE FOR THE LAND EXCAVATION, AND AS PART OF THAT SPECIAL USE DESIGNATED THIS AREA AS SIGNIFICANT WILDLIFE HABITAT UPLAND PRESERVATION AREA. GIVEN THOSE THINGS, IT'S INCONSISTENT WITH THE OBJECTIVE 13 AND POLICY 13.1. GIVE YOU A LITTLE IDEA OF THE DENSITY AND HISTORY OF THIS AREA. THE KEYSTONE-ODESSA PLAN DID REDUCE ITS DENSITIES. WHEN WE FIRST ADOPTED THE PLAN IN 1998 THE DENSITIES WERE SLIGHTLY HIGHER. BECAUSE WE WERE CHALLENGED ON THAT, WE WENT THROUGH AN ADMINISTRATIVE HEARING AND A SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE GOVERNOR AND CABINET, AND THE COUNTY REDUCED THE DENSITIES OUT IN THAT AREA. THEY WENT FROM ONE UNIT PER ONE ACRE AND ONE UNIT PER 2.5 ACRES UP TO ONE UNIT PER ONE ACRE AND ONE UNIT PER FIVE ACRES. WE ALSO DID SOME REDUCTIONS WHEN WE UPDATED OUR PLAN IN 1998 AND ALSO AS PART OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE GRAPHIC TO YOUR LEFT, AS PART OF THE COMMUNITY PLANNING EFFORT WE DID ADJUST THE URBAN SERVICE AREA LINE. IT WAS FURTHER TO THE EAST, KIND OF BISECTING A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. AS A PART OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN, THAT DIALOGUE MADE SURE THAT THE URBAN SERVICE AREA WAS MOVED AND USED THE SUNCOAST PARKWAY AS A BETTER DEFINITION OF -- BETWEEN THE URBAN AND RURAL AREAS, TO GIVE A WELL-ESTABLISHED BOUNDARY LINE, A HARD EDGE, IF YOU WILL, BETWEEN URBAN, SUBURBAN, AND THE RURAL AREA. DEALING WITH COMPATIBILITY, THE RURAL RESIDENTIAL AND AGRICULTURAL USES ARE PROMINENT TO THE WEST AND NORTH OF THIS SITE, AS YOU CAN SEE. JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THAT PICTURE. WHEN I TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, THERE'S THE SUNCOAST PARKWAY, THIS IS WEST OF THAT. THERE'S THAT WALL THAT SEPARATES THAT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT TO LUTZ-LAKE FERN ROAD. YOU CAN SEE THE DENSE LANDSCAPING, SO THERE'S NO FUNCTIONAL RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN WHAT'S HAPPENING TO THE SOUTH AND WHAT'S HAPPENING ON LUTZ-LAKE FERN ROAD. AGAIN, THESE PROPERTIES ALL BACK UP TO LUTZ-LAKE FERN ROAD, AND WHEN YOU'RE DOING A TRANSITION BETWEEN LAND USES, YOU WANT TO HAVE THAT TRANSITION HAPPEN AT THE REAR OF PROPERTIES, AND CERTAINLY THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE. AT THE INTERCHANGE THERE'S JUST SMALL-SCALE NONRESIDENTIAL USES AND RESIDENTIAL SUPPORT USES THAT ARE TO THE EAST OF THE SITE. THE INTRODUCTION OF SUBURBAN MIXED USE-6 WOULD -- REALLY WOULD BRING AN INTENSITY TO THIS AREA THAT'S CURRENTLY NOT FOUND IN THIS AREA. IT'S A VERY LOW-DENSITY SUBURBAN AND VERY LOW DENSE RURAL AREA. GIVEN THESE FACTORS, THIS PLAN AMENDMENT IS INCONSISTENT WITH OBJECTIVE 16, POLICY 16.8, AND POLICY 16.10. ADDITIONALLY, THE KEYSTONE-ODESSA COMMUNITY PLAN TALKS ABOUT MAINTAINING THE RURAL CHARACTER OF THE AREA, MAINTAINING A ONE-PER-FIVE DENSITY. IT DISCOURAGES PLAN AMENDMENTS FROM INCREASING THAT DENSITY BEYOND THAT ONE PER FIVE. THIS PARTICULAR SITE IS NOT ENVISIONED AS THIS COMMUNITY'S ACTIVITY CENTER. IT ENVISIONED VERY SMALL-SCALE RURAL DEVELOPMENT AT ITS ACTIVITY CENTER, WHICH IS LOCATED AT FOXS CORNER AT GUNN HIGHWAY AND NORTH MOBLEY ROAD, AND THE SUBURBAN MIXED USE-6 ON THIS PROPERTY WOULD INTRODUCE THAT SUBURBAN INTENSITY THAT IS REALLY NOT RURAL AND NOT A PART OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN, AND IT WOULD BE INCONSISTENT WITH THE KEYSTONE VISION AND THE STRATEGY FOR THEIR COMMUNITY PLAN. DEALING WITH SUSTAINABILITY, BECAUSE THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE IN THIS TIME AND DAY, THIS PLAN AMENDMENT - - BOTH OF THEM ARE CONTRARY TO THE GOALS OF RURAL AREA, TO THE COUNTY'S GROWTH MANAGEMENT STRATEGY. IT TALKS ABOUT DISCOURAGEMENT OF SPRAWL. WHAT WE WOULD BE DOING IS CREATING A DESTINATION IN TERMS OF ITS SCALE AND REALLY NOT MEETING THE NEEDS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT WOULD PRECIPITATE A STRIP PATTERN OF DEVELOPMENT. THIS AREA IS NOT TRANSIT SUPPORTED, AND BECAUSE IT HAS NO RELATIONSHIP TO THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS, IT IS NOT WALKABLE DUE TO THE RURAL AREA. WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE CRITERIA THAT THE COMP PLAN HAS FOR EXPANDING THE URBAN SERVICE AREA. POLICY 2.2 STATES THAT ALL CRITERIA -- ALL TEN CRITERIA SHALL BE MET. THIS PLAN REQUESTS -- DOES MEET THREE OF THOSE TEN CRITERIA. THERE ARE TWO OF THE CRITERIA THAT COULD BE CONDITIONALLY MET IF THERE WERE OTHER AMENDMENTS TO THE CIE. IT BASICALLY IS CONTIGUOUS AND ADJACENT TO THE URBAN SERVICE AREA. THERE IS WATER AND SEWER WITHIN A QUARTER MILE, AND IT DOES PROVIDE FOR A MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT WITH THE SMU-6 CATEGORY. BUT THERE ARE SOME AMENDMENTS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE MADE TO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ELEMENT SO FAR AS IMPROVING THE ADEQUACY OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND FULL COST RECOVERY TO THE COUNTY. ADDITIONALLY, THIS SITE ON THIS PLAN AMENDMENT DOES NOT MEET FIVE OF THE TEN CRITERIA. AGAIN, IT DOESN'T REALLY HAVE THAT FUNCTIONAL RELATIONSHIP TO THE SUBURBAN AND URBAN PATTERN THAT'S OUT THERE. IT WOULD NOT BE COMPATIBLE TO THE SURROUNDINGS THAT'S CURRENTLY TAKING PLACE. IT WOULD POTENTIALLY HAVE ADVERSE IMPACTS ON ENVIRONMENTAL RESOURCES. THERE'S NOT DATA TO SUPPORT THE NEED FOR MORE LAND INSIDE OUR URBAN SERVICE AREA AND IT WOULD CONFLICT WITH THE GOALS AND POLICIES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO, THEREFORE, THIS PLAN AMENDMENT IS INCONSISTENT WITH POLICY 2.2. BASED UPON ALL THESE CONSIDERATIONS, COMMISSIONERS, THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOUND THAT THIS PROPOSED PLAN AMENDMENT, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT 08-09 AND 09-01, IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE OF HILLSBOROUGH COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND RECOMMENDED TO THE BOARD DENIAL OF BOTH PLAN AMENDMENTS, AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. >>KEN HAGAN: THANK YOU, MR. GRIFFIN. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? GOOD EVENING, MR. PRESSMAN. AND CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'VE DONE DURING OUR LAST HEARING AND WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, YOU'RE GOING TO PRESENT BOTH CASES AT ONE TIME? IS THAT -- >> THAT WOULD BE OUR PREFERENCE, IF THAT'S ALLOWABLE. >>KEN HAGAN: OKAY. YOU'LL BE GIVEN 30 MINUTES TO DO BOTH PRESENTATIONS. >> COMMISSIONERS, MY NAME IS TODD PRESSMAN. MY ADDRESS IS 28870 U.S. 19 HIGHWAY NORTH, SUITE 300, CLEARWATER, FLORIDA. LET ME FIRST BEGIN BY RECOGNIZING THE CITIZENS THAT ARE HERE. WE HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF RESPECT FOR THE CITIZENS AND THE FOLKS WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR COMMUNITY AND THEIR OPINIONS. AND WITH THAT SAID, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO IS THE MAIN THRUST AND THE OVERALL DIRECTION OF HOW WE BELIEVE THESE TWO AMENDMENTS HAVE BEEN PRESENTED AND CHARACTERIZED TO THIS POINT. AND THAT CHARACTERIZATION IS MADE BY TWO CONCEPTS I LIKE TO REFER TO AS AN INDELICATE BALANCE AND A THREADING OF MANY NEEDLES. YOU'VE BEEN PRESENTED A LOT OF INFORMATION. WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT SOME INFORMATION TO YOU. WHAT WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT TO YOU IS A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVEN'T HEARD, COMPREHENSIVE POLICIES THAT YOU HAVEN'T SEEN WHICH WE FEEL ARE CRITICAL TO THE EVALUATION OF THIS REQUEST. NOW, YOUR STAFF ALWAYS DOES AN OUTSTANDING JOB, MR. GRIFFIN ALWAYS DOES AN OUTSTANDING JOB, AND THESE ARE OPINIONS. THESE ARE NOT NEGATIVE OF THE STAFF OR MS. HARVEY FROM ZONING. I WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR. BUT WE DO FEEL THERE IS A DIFFICULT BALANCE FOR THEM TO MAKE, AND IT ORDER FOR YOUR REVIEW AT THIS TIME, THE MAIN CHARGE THAT WE'RE ASKING IS THAT YOU CONSIDER TRANSFERRING AND TRANSMITTING THESE AMENDMENTS TO DCA FOR THEIR OPINION, THEIR REVIEW, THEIR RESPONSE. WE'RE NOT SEEKING FIVE VOTES FOR APPROVAL, WE'RE SEEKING FOUR VOTES TO TRANSMIT THESE ITEMS SO WHEN THEY DO COME BACK TO YOU YOU WILL HAVE A THIRD-PARTY OPINION, YOU'LL HAVE A PROFESSIONAL GROUP WHO WILL RESPOND TO MANY OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE RAISING AND THAT THE STAFF RAISED SO THAT WHEN IT DOES COME BACK IN A FEW MONTHS AND YOU THEN MOVE FORWARD POTENTIALLY WITH A FIVE VOTE IN SUPPORT OR DENIAL, IT WOULD BE DENIED AT THAT TIME. WE THINK IT'S CRITICAL FOR YOU TO GET THAT TRANSMITTAL TO DCA AND COME BACK FOR YOUR OPINION. WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO SWITCH TO A POWERPOINT. AND AS -- THIS HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO YOU, WHAT IS PROPOSED OR WHAT THE ACTUAL ISSUES ARE TONIGHT, AND AS I'VE INDICATED TO YOU, WE'RE SEEKING THE DCA, THEIR OCR REPORT, WHICH IS OBJECTIONS, COMMENTS, AND RECOMMENDATIONS, COME BACK TO BOCC FOR FIVE-PERSON VOTE IN A FEW MONTHS. YOU'VE BEEN ORIENTED TO THE SITE, BUT WHAT I WANT TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO HERE IS THIS BEING THE SUNCOAST PARKWAY, THIS BEING THE PASCO LINE. WE FEEL WHAT IS A BUFFER TO THE REST OF THE DISTRICT IS THE HEADWATERS OF THE BROOKER CREEK, WHICH IS A LARGE ENVIRONMENTAL AREA, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY NOT REALLY TOUCHABLE. THE APPLICANT'S SITE, WHICH HAS BEEN GREATLY REDUCED FROM 320 ACRES, IS LOCATED HERE. YOU'VE BEEN MADE WELL AWARE THAT THE BOUNDARY OF THE KEYSTONE-ODESSA COMMUNITY PLAN IS HERE, BUT LET ME PAUSE THERE FOR A SECOND AND TELL YOU THAT WE BELIEVE THAT IS CRITICAL. THIS SITE IS OBVIOUSLY NOT LOCATED IN THE CENTER OF THE KEYSTONE-ODESSA PLAN, IT'S LOCATED AT THE VERY BORDER, AND THAT BRINGS IT TO A MUCH DIFFERENT SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES THAN PERHAPS WHAT YOU'VE SEEN IN THE PAST. CRITICALLY -- AND YOU'VE NOT BEEN TOLD THIS -- THAT DIRECTLY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BORDER AND OF THE SUNCOAST -- OR THE VETERANS IS THE LUTZ COMMUNITY PLAN, AND THE LUTZ COMMUNITY PLAN DOES RECOGNIZE WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING, WHICH IS A SUBURBAN CHARACTER. AND MR. GRIFFIN HAS WALKED YOU THROUGH THESE USES THAT ARE -- THAT ARE EXISTING. I'D LIKE TO LAY THEM OUT IN AERIAL FOR YOU BECAUSE THERE'S A CRITICAL DISTINCTION HERE. THE ONE PHOTOGRAPH THAT MR. GRIFFIN LAID OUT WAS A PICTURE OF REALLY OPEN FARMLAND, VERY LESS DENSE SITE, BUT THE REALITY IS, THE SITE BEING LOCATED HERE, VILLAROSA, WHICH IS LOCATED HERE, IS IN ACTUALITY, AS YOU LOOK AT IT -- AND I HAVE SOME PICTURES THAT I'LL GO TO IN A FEW MINUTES -- ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE A TRUE SUBURBAN AREA. THEY'VE DONE CLUSTERING, SO YOU CAN SAY ON THE SERVICE YES, THIS IS A LOW LAND USE, BUT THE FACT IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, IT WALKS LIKE SUBURBAN, IT LOOKS LIKE SUBURBAN, AND IT QUACKS LIKE SUBURBAN, SAME AS THIS COMMUNITY OVER HERE AND OF COURSE THE CHEVAL AREA, WHICH IS LOCATED THROUGHOUT HERE. AND THERE ARE THREE SCHOOLS, WHICH I'LL SHOW YOU PHOTOS AS WELL, WHICH ARE LOCATED HERE, HERE, AND HERE. THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL WITH THE LARGE NEW STEINBRENNER HIGH SCHOOL AND THE MIDDLE SCHOOL. AND ALSO IN FUTURE WHAT IS COMING IS 240 APPROVED HOMES HERE AND 25,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL. WE'RE SHOWING THE SCHOOLS HERE AGAIN. ANOTHER POINT IS ALTHOUGH IT'S OVER THE JURISDICTIONAL LINE OF THE COUNTY LINE HERE, THERE ARE OBVIOUSLY VERY SUBSTANTIAL RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES HERE AND RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES HERE THAT YOU CAN SEE ARE NOT OF A LOW DENSE NATURE. I DO WANT TO SAY ONE POINT, WHICH MR. GRIFFIN BROUGHT UP, AND BE VERY CLEAR THAT THE EPC, ONCE THE SITE HAS BEEN REDUCED FROM THE 320 ACRES, THEY'RE INDICATING HERE THEY NO LONGER OBJECT TO THE REQUEST, AND THE DEVELOPER HAS RECEIVED QUITE A NUMBER OF ENVIRONMENTAL AWARDS FROM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, EPC, THE STATE AND FEDERAL JURISDICTIONS AS WELL. HE HAS A GOOD RECORD ON THAT. AND HERE'S THE CRITICAL FACTOR, WHICH WAS BRIEFLY PASSED BY, DISCUSSED A LITTLE BIT, AND IS ONLY ABOUT A HALF SENTENCE IN THE KEYSTONE-ODESSA PLAN, AND THAT IS THE CONNECTION OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT ARTERIAL ROADWAY, HIGH- SPEED, HIGH-VOLUME, THE VETERANS EXPRESSWAY. THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE WEST RAMP AS IT'S UNDER WORKING NOW, ORIGINALLY CONCEIVED IN CONSTRUCTION IN 2015, BUT BECAUSE OF THE GOOD WORK OF THE COMMISSIONERS AND THE STATE, IT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION NOW. IT WAS A FAR DISTANT ELEMENT IN THE ODESSA-KEYSTONE PLAN; HOWEVER, NOW IT'S A REALITY AND MUST BE DEALT WITH. THIS IS THE RAMP ON THE EAST SIDE, SO THIS IS A SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTING ARTERIAL ROADWAY WHICH IS GOING TO BRING THE TYPE OF THINGS THAT WE TYPICALLY SEE AT INTERSECTIONS, AND YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN -- EXCUSE ME, I'M JUMPING AHEAD -- AND BRINGING THE POINT TO LIGHT, ST. PETE TIMES REPORTED AT THE TIME THAT THE INTERCHANGE HAS BEEN SOUGHT BY A COALITION OF LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND CIVIC GROUPS, WHICH -- BECAUSE IT HAD NOT BEEN SCHEDULED TO 2016, THAT ACTIVISTS ALONG LUTZ-LAKE FERN ROAD LAUNCHED AN E-MAIL EFFORT. SHARON CALVO, PRESIDENT OF THE LUTZ-LAKE FERN COMMUNITIES COALITION SAID A DOZEN MORE E-MAILS HAVE BEEN SENT. SHE ALSO REPRESENT - AT THE TIME REPRESENTED THE VILLAROSA HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. AND THIS IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ELEMENT THAT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING YOU HAVE NOT SEEN OR BEEN PRESENTED, AND IT'S VERY CLEAR, AND I HOPE IT MAKES YOU THINK THAT THIS IS PART OF A BALANCE THAT YOU HAVE NOT SEEN, AND THAT PLAN POLICY CLEARLY SAYS THAT THE COUNTY IS TO RECOGNIZE INTERSTATE HIGHWAYS AS VALUABLE RESOURCES FOR THE LOCATION OF MORE INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. ANOTHER COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICY I DON'T BELIEVE THAT YOU'VE SEEN, THAT THE DEVELOPMENT OF COMMERCIAL USES AT INTERSTATE INTERCHANGE AS PLANNED UNIFIED DEVELOPMENTS OF A SINGLE TRACT OF LAND SHALL BE ENCOURAGED TO ENABLE THE USE OF COMMON ACCESSES AND ENCOURAGE OTHER SITE -- EXCUSE ME, THAT'S MY SPELLING ERROR -- DESIGN MEASURES TO MINIMIZE IMPACTS, AND WHAT WE'RE SPEAKING ABOUT IS ONE UNIFIED SITE. WE MEET THAT CRITERIA EXACTLY. ANOTHER PLAN POLICY ON THE SAME REGARD. PERMIT CONSIDERATION OF COMMERCIAL USES, INCLUDING HOTELS, AT INTENSITIES AT OR ABOVE NEIGHBORHOOD-SERVING COMMERCIAL SCALE AT LOCATIONS WITH DIRECT OR ADEQUATE ACCESS TO THE INTERSTATE. JUST THOSE THREE COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS ARE A CONCERN FOR ME AND A CONCERN FOR THE FOLKS THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH. ANOTHER POINT IS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OBJECTIVE NUMBER TWO, TIMING OF GROWTH, AND THIS WAS PRESENTED TO YOU, BUT I THINK IN THE VAIN THAT -- WHICH I JUST PRESENTED TO YOU IN TERMS OF THE TURNPIKE CONNECTIONS THAT YOU ARE TO MANAGE THE TIMING OF NEW DEVELOPMENT TO COORDINATE WITH THE PROVISION OF INFRASTRUCTURE, TRANSPORTATION, TRANSIT SERVICES, AND OTHER PUBLIC SERVICES, SUCH AS SCHOOLS, WHICH I'VE SHOWN YOU THERE ARE THREE THERE, TWO NEW ONES, IN A FINANCIAL FEASIBLE MANNER. AND IN A DIFFERENT VAIN, THE KEYSTONE-ODESSA COMMUNITY PLAN DOES HAVE A VISION. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT THAT VISION BECAUSE THE VISION REFERS TO RURAL ROADS TRANSECTING THE COMMUNITY, COUNTY ROADS NOT BECOMING DEGRADED BY URBAN DESIGN STANDARDS. I DON'T BELIEVE, IT'S MY OPINION, AND MR. ALLISON WHO IS A PROFESSIONAL PLANNER -- AS WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS CLOSELY, WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE KEYSTONE-ODESSA PLAN FULLY GRASPED AND PUT THEIR ARMS AROUND WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN IN THIS INTERSECTION, IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WAY IN THE FUTURE, AND IT'S HAPPENING NOW, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THIS VISION DOES NOT MATCH WHAT'S HAPPENING AT THIS INTERSECTION. GOING BACK TO THE RESIDENTIAL. THIS IS A CRITICAL DISTINCTION, AGAIN, A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFICULT BALANCE AND A LITTLE BIT OF THREADING SOME NEEDLES. YOU CAN CALL IT A LOW-DENSITY AREA, BUT THE FACT IS WHEN YOU PULL IN AND YOU SEE DOZENS AND DOZENS AND DOZENS AND DOZENS OF STREETS THAT ARE SUBURBAN QUALITY -- THESE ARE TYPICAL -- THESE ARE TYPICAL PHOTOS. I COULD BRING YOU MANY MORE. I'M NOT GOING TO BRING YOU A TON MORE. THIS IS ONE EXAMPLE IN THE VILLAROSA, THIS IS JUST ONE INDISCRIMINATE STREET, JUST TOOK A QUICK PICTURE, THIS IS FERN GLEN, AND AS MR. GRIFFIN HAS INDICATED TO YOU, THERE IS EXISTING RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL SUPPORT USES ALONG LUTZ FERN LAKE ROAD. AND THE NEW SCHOOLS. YOU HAVE THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, YOU HAVE MARTINEZ MIDDLE SCHOOL, AND YOU HAVE STEINBRENNER HIGH SCHOOL, WHICH IS -- THE SECOND SHOT -- THE FRONT SHOT IS FROM BEHIND. YOU CAN SEE IT'S QUITE A STRUCTURE. AND I THINK THIS -- THIS IS A CRITICAL POINT THAT YOUR STAFF DID LOOK OVER, BUT I THINK IT CALLS FOR A MORE INTENSIVE STUDY, AND THAT IS THAT UTILITY PIPES ARE LOCATED RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. THEY'RE NOT DOWN THE STREET, THEY'RE NOT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COAST -- THE VETERANS, THEY ARE LITERALLY RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. IN TERMS OF THE URBAN SERVICE AREA, WHICH IS, OF COURSE, THE LINE IN THE SAND FOR WATER AND SEWER SERVICES, IT IS CRITICAL FOR THAT BOUNDARY TO BE LOOKED AT ON A SOMEWHAT FREQUENT BASIS. AS WE DID SOME RESEARCH, THE BEST THAT WE FOUND WAS THE UNIVERSITY OF PURDUE LAND USE TEAM, WHICH DOES A LOT OF LAND USE PLANNING FOR JURISDICTIONS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, INDICATES IT SHOULD BE REVIEWED EVERY FIVE YEARS. AND IN REGARD TO COMPATIBILITY AND FUNCTIONAL RELATIONSHIP, WE FEEL IT DOES NOT HAVE A GREAT GEOGRAPHICAL LINK TO KEYSTONE, SEPARATED BY THE ENVIRONMENTAL LAND THAT I POINTED OUT TO YOU AND WITH THE THREE PUBLIC SCHOOLS TO THE EAST. I'M GOING TO TURN THIS OVER TO MR. STEVE ALLISON. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. STEVE ALLISON, ALSO REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BEAR WITH ME A LITTLE BIT ON THE POWERPOINT. I'M NOT A REAL HIGH-TECH GUY. I DO WANT TO GO BACK TO SOME OF THE SLIDES THAT WE'VE SEEN AND FOCUS A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE COMPATIBILITY ISSUES AND THE PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS OF THE SITE BECAUSE I DEEM THEM VERY IMPORTANT. IT'S OUR VIEW THAT THIS REALLY REPRESENTS THE -- THE WESTERN EDGE OF A SUBURBAN STYLE OF DEVELOPMENT. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NATURE OF THINGS THAT ARE APPROVED THERE RIGHT NOW WITH THE SUBDIVISIONS THAT TODD HAS REFERENCED, THE THREE PUBLIC SCHOOL FACILITIES DIRECTLY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE INTERCHANGE, LARGE PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS -- AND SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE SAID ABOUT THOSE AS WELL. YES, THEY'RE DESIGNATED RES-1 IN THE PLAN, YES, THAT HOLDS THEM TO AN OVERALL GROSS DENSITY OF ONE UNIT PER ACRE, BUT THEY RECEIVE WETLAND DENSITY CREDITS TO DEVELOP IN THE MANNER THAT THEY DID. IT WOULDN'T MATTER IF THEIR DESIGNATION WAS RES-4. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET ANYMORE UNITS THAN WHAT THEY HAVE THERE. THEY HAVE -- IN CHEVAL WE HAVE LOTS AS SMALL AS 5,000 SQUARE FEET. WE HAVE MULTIFAMILY APPROVED. VILLAROSA AND FERN GLEN HAVE SUBURBAN-STYLE LOTS HAD. THOSE ARE SUBURBAN TYPE OF DEVELOPMENTS, AND THEY EXTEND ALL THE WAY WEST OF OUR SITE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF LUTZ-LAKE FERN. A CRITICAL THING -- AND TODD BRIEFLY MENTIONED IT -- WAS THE PROPERTY WHICH IS LOCATED HERE WHICH EXCEEDS -- IS ROUGHLY 200 ACRES. THIS IS THE AGIA PROPERTY. IT'S ALSO OUTSIDE THE URBAN SERVICE AREA, AND AS MR. GRIFFIN HAS INDICATED, THIS IS A VESTED PROJECT BECAUSE IT ATTAINED ITS ZONING PRIOR TO THE DESIGNATION OF THE URBAN SERVICE AREA, BUT IT'S NOT AS IF IT DOESN'T COUNT. THIS PROPERTY IS APPROVED FOR 243 SINGLE-FAMILY UNITS, IT'S APPROVED FOR 25,000 SQUARE FEET -- I GUESS WHEN I'M POINTING HERE THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY -- ANY CONSEQUENCE WHATSOEVER, DOES IT? [LAUGHTER] IT'S APPROVED FOR 25,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL. NOW, THROUGH THE VARIOUS HEARINGS WE'VE HAD ON THAT, THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS STATED OBJECTIONS TO OUR DEVELOPMENT. I DON'T ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND WHY, AND ONE CRITICAL POINT THAT I WANT TO MENTION HERE TONIGHT, WITH THE COMPLETION OF THE SUNCOAST INTERCHANGE, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CONTAINS ACCESS MANAGEMENT STANDARDS. IT SAYS THAT ANY ACCESS TO A MAJOR ROADWAY IN PARTICULAR HAS TO BE SO MANY FEET FROM ANOTHER MAJOR ACCESS. THEY'RE APPROVED TO HAVE ACCESS DIRECTLY ONTO LUTZ-LAKE FERN. THEY'VE ONLY GOT ABOUT 400 FEET OF FRONTAGE. THEY CANNOT MEET THE ACCESS MANAGEMENT STANDARDS OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. IT WOULD BE IN THEIR INTEREST AND OUR INTEREST TO WORK TOGETHER TO CONSOLIDATE ACCESS THROUGH MY CLIENT'S PROPERTY TO GIVE ACCESS TO THAT. OTHERWISE WE ARE CONDONING AND CREATING WHAT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CONSIDERS A DANGEROUS ACCESS SITUATION NONCOMPLIANT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. IN TERMS OF THE PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS, AS INDICATED, IT'S 36 ACRES IN SIZE. THAT'S THE OVERALL SIZE OF IT. THE DEVELOPABLE PORTION OF THIS PROPERTY IS ONLY 13 ACRES IN SIZE, SO ALL OF THE CALCULATIONS OF PROSPECTIVE DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL THAT ARE CONTAINED IN THE STAFF REPORT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION ARE GREATLY EXAGGERATED FROM REALITY. WE CAN'T ACHIEVE ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THE NUMBERS THAT ARE SUGGESTED IN THAT REPORT. OTHER FEATURES OF IT WITH ITS FRONTAGE ON LUTZ-LAKE FERN, ITS PROXIMITY TO THE INTERCHANGE. BY RATIONAL PLANNING PERSPECTIVES, BY PLAN POLICIES, SOME OF WHICH WERE CITED, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REGULATIONS, THIS PARCEL IS WHOLLY UNSUITABLE FOR SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS WHAT THE CURRENT ZONING DICTATES. OF GREAT SIGNIFICANCE -- AND AGAIN, TODD MENTIONED IT BRIEFLY, AND YOU SAW IT SOME IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S GRAPHIC OF THIS, BUT THE DEVELOPABLE PORTION -- OOPS -- IS SOMEWHAT CENTERED IN THIS AND FRONTING ALONG LUTZ-LAKE FERN, SO AS YOU PROCEED WEST FROM THAT, WE'VE GOT WETLANDS ON THE SITE ITSELF, A COUPLE HUNDRED FEET MORE WETLANDS BEFORE WE GET INTO ANY OTHER DEVELOPABLE PORTIONS OF KEYSTONE. CONSEQUENTLY, THERE IS NO PROSPECT THAT APPROVAL OF A NONRESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THIS PARCEL WOULD HAVE ANY KIND OF PRECEDENT-SETTING EFFECT FOR THE PROLIFERATION OR CONTINUATION OF THAT ALONG LUTZ-LAKE FERN. FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE, I TAKE EXCEPTION TO THE ANALYSIS PROVIDED BY STAFF. I DON'T THINK IT WAS UP TO THEIR USUAL STANDARDS OF OBJECTIVITY. NOWHERE IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF REPORT IS THERE EVEN MENTION OF THOSE VARIOUS POLICIES THAT ARE INTENDED TO GOVERN DEVELOPMENT PROXIMATE TO INTERSTATE INTERCHANGES. AGAIN, WE'RE SEPARATED FROM THE INTERCHANGE BY ONLY A FEW HUNDRED FEET. I DON'T KNOW HOW THE PLANNING COMMISSION REPORT COULD NOT EVEN MENTION THOSE PROPERTIES OR THOSE POLICIES. THEY'RE ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL. DID THEY NOT NOTICE THAT THERE WAS A MAJOR INTERSTATE THERE? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RATIONALE IS, BUT IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO PERFORM AN EVALUATION OF THIS SITE WITHOUT REFERENCE TO THOSE VERY KEY POLICIES. THE REAL ISSUE THAT WE THINK IS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT -- AND I'M PROBABLY NOT GOING WHERE I WANT TO GO. I'LL JUST USE THIS ONE, AND AGAIN, TODD MENTIONED IT BRIEFLY. THE QUESTION WE HAVE IS WHAT IS THE APPROPRIATE EASTERN BOUNDARY OF KEYSTONE? AT THE TIME THE KEYSTONE PLAN WAS ADOPTED, THE SUNCOAST WAS SELECTED AS THAT EASTERN BOUNDARY. THEY KNEW THAT THERE WAS THIS PROPERTY HERE THAT EVEN THOUGH IT'S PUT INTO KEYSTONE, IT'S APPROVED FOR 10,000- SQUARE-FOOT LOTS ON WATER AND SEWER, SO THEY CREATED ESSENTIALLY A PLANNED NONCONFORMITY WITH THE ADOPTION OF THE PLAN. WELL, SINCE IT WAS JUST THAT ONE PROPERTY, THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE, AND I'D MENTION ALSO THAT THE PARCEL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT WAS PREVIOUSLY CONNECTED TO A LARGER PARCEL THAT COMPRISED SOME 320 ACRES, AND CONSEQUENTLY, I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WOULD SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO JUST KEEP SPREADING IT OVER, WE'RE GOING TO JUST DRAW THE LINE HERE, IT'S CONVENIENT, IT'S A NICE, HARD BOUNDARY, WE'LL JUST CALL IT THAT AND LIVE WITH THIS NONCONFORMITY. BUT THINGS HAVE CHANGED. WE'RE NOW MUCH AHEAD OF SCHEDULE, AS INDICATED, COMPLETING THE SUNCOAST PARKWAY. WE THINK THAT THE LOGICAL BOUNDARY FOR KEYSTONE IS ACTUALLY THROUGH THE BROOKER CREEK ENVIRONMENTAL AREA, NOT THE SUNCOAST. TO DO THAT -- AND FOR THE AGIA PROPERTY, THAT'S NOT A PART OF OUR APPLICATION, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE STAFF LOOK AT WHEN THEY REVISIT THE KEYSTONE PLAN NEXT YEAR. FOR OUR PROPERTY, IF IT NEEDS TO BE IN A COMMUNITY PLANNING AREA -- AND I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHETHER IT DOES OR NOT, BUT IT WOULD MAKE FAR MORE SENSE FOR IT TO BE IN LUTZ WHERE WE HAVE SEWER AND WATER, WHERE WE HAVE UTILITIES, WHERE WE HAVE SUBURBAN STYLE DEVELOPMENT, AND WHERE WE HAVE THE PHYSICAL SEGREGATION FROM THE REST OF KEYSTONE. I DON'T VIEW OUR APPLICATION, GIVEN ITS LOCATION AND THESE VARIOUS FEATURES AS BEING AN ATTACK ON THE TENETS OF THE KEYSTONE PLAN. I THINK WITH BETTER RATIONALIZED BORDERS, YOUR COMMUNITY PLANS ARE ACTUALLY STRENGTHENED. RELATIVE TO THE APPROPRIATE USE OF THIS PROPERTY, I DON'T KNOW HOW ANYONE WOULD CONCLUDE THAT IT SHOULD BE ANYTHING BUT COMMERCIAL. EVEN IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF REPORT THEY'VE ESSENTIALLY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT IT'S ELIGIBLE UNDER THE CURRENT PLAN CONSIDERATION FOR UP TO 40,000. OF COURSE, TO REQUEST THAT IT WOULD BE CONTRARY TO THE KEYSTONE PLAN. I DON'T KNOW WHAT STAFF'S POSITION ON THAT WOULD BE, BUT EVEN AT THE 40,000 -- I KNOW, COMMISSIONER SHARPE, YOU LOOKED AT THAT IN THE WORKSHOP AND SAID, WELL, THEY MIGHT ACHIEVE THAT ENTITLEMENT ANYWAY. PROBLEMS WITH IT ARE SEVERAL. FIRST, BECAUSE WE'RE IN KEYSTONE AND OUTSIDE THE URBAN SERVICE AREA, EVEN IF WE GOT 40,000 WE COULDN'T CONNECT TO SEWER AND WATER. GIVEN THAT WE'RE ADJACENT TO THE BROOKER CREEK ENVIRONMENTAL PRESERVE, WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD WE NOT WANT ANY DEVELOPMENT TO CONNECT TO PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER? SECONDLY, WITHIN THE -- THE KEYSTONE LDR OR LDC REGULATIONS, BUILDINGS ARE LIMITED TO A MAXIMUM 7500 SQUARE FOOT. THAT IS NOT -- THAT'S HALF THE SIZE OF YOUR TYPICAL CVS PHARMACY. THERE'S A VERY LIMITED NUMBER OF COMMERCIAL USES THAT WOULD HAVE ANY INTEREST IN A BUILDING OF THAT SIZE. THERE'S ONLY SO MANY CONVENIENCE STORES AND FAST-FOOD JOINTS THAT WE COULD PUT ON ANY ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY. I WANTED TO MENTION, IF I CAN FIND IT, ONE -- AND THIS IS BY NO MEANS A COMMITMENT, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I CONSIDER AN IDEAL USE FOR THIS PROPERTY. WITH THE OPENING OF THE SUNCOAST -- THIS SITE IS TEN TO 15 MINUTES AWAY -- 15 MINUTES AWAY FROM THE AIRPORT GOING DIRECTLY UP THE SUNCOAST. WE'RE IN PROXIMITY TO A HUGE NUMBER OF GOLF COURSES, INCLUDING BEING DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM TPC CHEVAL WHERE THEY'RE HAVING A LITTLE TOURNAMENT NEXT WEEK. I THINK IT WOULD BE A VERY INTERESTING IDEA IF THIS PROPERTY WERE DEVELOPED AS SOME SORT OF A GOLF-ORIENTED RESORT WITH A HOTEL OF A QUALITY THAT WOULD ATTRACT THE PLAYERS AND CELEBRITY PARTICIPANTS OF THAT EVENT. IT WOULD BE AVAILABLE OTHER TIMES OF THE YEAR FOR FOLKS TO COME TO THE AREA AND EXPLOIT THE MANY GOLF OPPORTUNITIES. YOU CAN GET UP TO WORLD WOODS AND SILVERTHORN AND SOME OF THE REALLY FINE GOLF COURSES MINUTES FROM THIS SITE, AND IT'S REALLY CENTRALLY LOCATED FOR ALL THAT. ANYWAY, I JUST THROW THAT OUT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A TERRIFIC OPPORTUNITY. WE DO HAVE -- ON THE PART OF OUR APPLICATION THAT SEEKS TO INCLUDE THE PROPERTY INTO THE URBAN SERVICE AREA -- AND AGAIN, AS MR. GRIFFIN REFERENCED, THERE'S TEN CRITERIA TO DO THAT. AS HE INDICATED, THREE OF THOSE STAFF AND US ARE IN HARMONY WITH. TWO OTHERS HE SAYS THAT -- THEY CALL IT THAT WE KIND OF COMPLY. I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY THE TERM, SO I'M NOT GOING TO ADDRESS THOSE SPECIFICALLY. BUT WE DO HAVE OBVIOUSLY A FEW PLACES WHERE WE DISAGREE JUST A LITTLE BIT. ONE WOULD BE THAT EXPANSION WOULD BE AN EXTENSION OF AN EXISTING SUBURBAN PATTERN AND BEAR A FUNCTIONAL RELATIONSHIP TO DEVELOPMENT IN THE URBAN SERVICE AREA. WE STRONGLY DIFFER THAT WE DO NOT MEET THAT. WE'VE GOT SUBURBAN TO THE EAST, TO THE NORTH, AND TO THE SOUTH. THE CHARACTER -- EVEN PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF ACKNOWLEDGES THAT IT'S SUBURBAN CHARACTER. WE HAVE THE AGIA PROPERTY ON SEWER AND WATER IMMEDIATELY ON OUR EASTERN BOUNDARY, WHICH THEY REFERENCE AS A TRANSITIONAL DEVELOPMENT. I DON'T KNOW HOW SOMETHING WITH THOSE DEVELOPMENT CHARACTERISTICS IS CONSIDERED TRANSITIONAL. IT'S TRUE THAT WALKING TO THIS SITE FROM HERITAGE HARBOR OR VILLAROSA MIGHT NOT BE LIKELY, BUT THAT'S NOT THE ONLY MEASURE OF SOMETHING THAT IS A FUNCTIONAL PART OF THE AREA. WE DON'T SEE WALKING TO SUBURBAN SHOPPING -- SUBURBAN SHOPPING CENTERS VERY FREQUENTLY ANYWAY. SO WE THINK THAT WE VERY MUCH DO COMPLY WITH THAT. NUMBER SEVEN, EXPANSION COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDINGS, I THINK WE'VE GONE OVER THAT QUITE A BIT TONIGHT. I WON'T GO THROUGH IT AGAIN. NUMBER EIGHT, IN TERMS OF ADVERSE IMPACTS TO ENVIRONMENTAL SYSTEMS, THIS HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY ALL OF THE APPLICABLE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW AGENCIES. NONE HAVE STATED ANY OBJECTION WHATSOEVER, SO WE TAKE GREAT EXCEPTION WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAKING THAT STATEMENT. TO SAY THAT IT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO ADVERSELY IMPACT ENVIRONMENTAL RESOURCES I THINK IS -- IS SPECULATIVE AND ITS VOID OF ANY FOUNDATION IN THE AGENCY COMMENTS WHATSOEVER. CRITERIA NINE IS WHERE IT BECOMES VERY TECHNICAL. THIS IS A CRITERIA THAT YOU HAVE TO MEET TO JUSTIFY EXPANSIONS TO THE URBAN SERVICE AREA. AND AGAIN, IT'S THE MOST TECHNICAL OF THESE TEN CRITERIAS - - CRITERIA. WE SUBMITTED EXTENSIVE DATA TO MAKE OUR CASE ON THIS. I'M NOT GOING TO ATTEMPT TO DESCRIBE IT HERE. WE WOULD SPEND HOURS GOING THROUGH IT, AND I'M FRANKLY NOT AS WELL VERSED ON IT AS OTHER MEMBERS OF OUR TEAM. BUT STAFF WENT INTO GREAT DETAIL ON IT AND MADE SOME CONCLUSIONS WITH WHICH WE DISAGREE, BUT WE DO WANT TO MENTION A COUPLE THINGS. THERE IS IN OUR BACKUP DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE OF SUBSTANTIAL RETAIL LEAKAGE TO PASCO COUNTY. I'D STATE FURTHER THAT PLANNING AND ZONING TOOLS ARE NOT LEGALLY APPROPRIATE FOR REGULATING COMPETITION, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT THAT WOULD BE DOING. AND WHEN THEY CITE A LARGE AMOUNT OF UNDEVELOPED COMMERCIAL LAND, I WOULD HAVE TO -- TO THINK THAT IN THE LAST BOOM CYCLE OF DEVELOPMENT IN THIS COMMUNITY IF THOSE PROPERTIES WERE TRULY SUITABLE FOR COMMERCIAL, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED. ALL OF THESE CRITERIA ON THE EXPANSION OF THE URBAN SERVICE AREA I THINK ARE SOMEWHAT -- WHILE THEY'RE IMPORTANT, THEY'RE NOT THE FUNDAMENTAL ISSUE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TONIGHT, BUT WE JUST WANT AN OBJECTIVE REVIEW AND PARTICULARLY OF THIS PARTICULAR CRITERIA ON THE EXPANSION. WE ACTUALLY MET ONE TIME WITH PAULA AND COUNTY STAFF ON THIS. THEY COMPLIMENTED THE EXTENT OF MATERIALS AND DATA THAT WE SUBMITTED, BUT LATER WE WERE INFORMED BY COUNTY STAFF THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE TIME TO REVIEW IT. I UNDERSTAND WITH THE BUDGET DIFFICULTIES THAT THAT'S THE WAY THINGS ARE, BUT COUNTY STAFF DID NOT REVIEW THIS. PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF WAS THE ONLY ONE, AND COUNTY STAFF DEFERRED TO THEM. THAT FACT IN CONCERT WITH THE COMPLEXITY OF THIS PARTICULAR CRITERION IS A BIG PART OF WHY WE ARE REQUESTING THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY AFFAIRS BE ALLOWED TO REVIEW THAT DATA. WE DON'T THINK THAT WE'VE GOTTEN AN ADEQUATE REVIEW AT THE LOCAL LEVEL. THE TENTH CRITERIA REQUIRES COMPLIANCE WITH OTHER GOALS, OBJECTIVES, POLICIES OF THE PLAN. WE THINK WE'VE OBJECTED FULL POLICY COMPLIANCE. IT ALSO REQUIRES THAT WE BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COUNTY'S BUILD-OUT PLAN. THERE IS NO COUNTY BUILD-OUT PLAN, SO THAT PART OF THE POLICY IS CURRENTLY MOOT. JUST TO CONCLUDE, I SEE THIS APPLICATION AS LESS OF A PLANNING -- ONE MINUTE? >>KEN HAGAN: QUICKLY. >> -- LESS OF A PLANNING ARGUMENT THAN REALLY A TURF BATTLE. THERE'S BEEN A LINE DRAWN IN THE SAND. FOLKS DON'T WANT TO HAVE THAT MOVED. WE THINK THAT THERE'S MORE THAN ADEQUATE JUSTIFICATION TO DO SO. I KNOW IT'S DIFFICULT, I KNOW THAT CONTENTIOUS APPLICATIONS ARE NOT WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE. WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK FURTHER WITH PEOPLE ON THIS IF WE HAVE A REALISTIC DIRECTIVE TO GET SOME KIND OF CONSENSUS, BUT WE VERY MUCH THINK THAT WE'VE MET ALL TESTS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROCEDURES MANUAL, AND REQUEST YOUR REVIEW. >>KEN HAGAN: THANK YOU, SIR. OKAY. AT THIS TIME, WE'LL HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC. IF YOU COULD PLEASE LINE UP, AND EACH PERSON WILL BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND WHEN THE BUZZER SOUNDS, YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS. >> HELLO. >>KEN HAGAN: WELCOME. >> MY NAME IS VINCE ARCURI, 18913 CHAVILLE ROAD IN CHEVAL. DO I START WHENEVER? >>KEN HAGAN: YES, SIR. >> OKAY. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO COME OUT. THIS IS GREAT. YOU KNOW, I JUST RESPECTFULLY -- I'D LIKE TO SAY THERE'S 25,000 PEOPLE THAT LIVE WITHIN A THREE-MILE RADIUS OF THAT AREA, AND THERE'S REALLY NOT THAT MANY PEOPLE HERE, AND I THINK IF IT WAS AN OVERLY, YOU KNOW, DRAMATIC CONCERN OF THE COMMUNITY THAT SURROUNDS THERE, THERE WOULD BE A LOT MORE PEOPLE HERE PRO AND CON. I THINK THAT THAT AREA IS PREDOMINANTLY COMMERCIAL TYPE DEVELOPMENT. YOU'VE GOT THREE COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES LESS THAN A MILE AWAY. YOU'VE GOT THREE SCHOOLS CRAMMED TOGETHER THERE IN THE CORNER. YOU GOT THE TPC RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. THE AREA REALLY LACKS ANY TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT AROUND THERE THAT THE PEOPLE REALLY -- WHEN YOU EXIT CHEVAL, VILLAROSA, HERITAGE HARBOR, THEY ALL -- WHICH ALL THOSE HOUSES ARE OVER 1200 HOUSES IN EACH COMMUNITY -- THEY ALL DUMP ONTO THAT ROAD. I THINK WHAT IT WOULD REALLY DO IS ANY TYPE OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THERE WOULD REALLY ALLEVIATE THE WEAR AND TEAR ON THE VEHICLES THAT -- YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO GET A CUP OF COFFEE, YOU HAVE TO DRIVE ALL THE WAY TO DALE MABRY. IT'S A FOUR-MILE ROUND TRIP FROM MY HOUSE TO GET A CUP OF COFFEE. YOU KNOW, JUST THE WEAR AND TEAR ON THE VEHICLES, THE GAS PRICES, THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE ECONOMY'S, YOU KNOW, SLOW RIGHT NOW. THIS IS GOING TO PROBABLY CREATE 2- OR 300 JOBS. THE TAX REVENUE, I MEAN, COMPARED TO BUILDING A COUPLE HOUSES THAT YOU HAVE, YOU LOOK AT THE TAX REVENUE. I KNOW EVERYBODY'S SHORT TAX REVENUE NOW, SO THAT'S IMPORTANT. YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER WHEN CHEVAL -- WHEN THEY WERE BUILDING THE INTERSTATE THROUGH CHEVAL, WHEN THE VETERANS WAS CUTTING THROUGH, EVERYBODY THOUGHT THAT WAS THE END OF THE WORLD AND CHEVAL WAS GOING TO BE THIS ABANDONED PROJECT, AND YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW IT'S THERE. I MEAN, IT FITS IN BEAUTIFULLY WITH THE COMMUNITY. YOU DON'T EVEN NOTICE IT'S IN THERE. IT HASN'T IMPACTED PROPERTY VALUES AT ALL. I THINK THAT THIS IS REALLY GOING TO INCREASE PROPERTY VALUES BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO MAKE THE WHOLE AREA -- IT'S GOING TO BE CLOSER TO -- AND YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION, AND WE REALLY NEED THIS TYPE OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN OUR AREA. THERE'S REALLY NOTHING -- IF YOU HIT THAT LUTZ-LAKE FERN AREA AND YOU LOOK AT THE CONGESTION THAT'S THERE IN THE MORNING, PEOPLE TRYING TO GET IN AND OUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WERE JUST -- IF YOU JUST HAD SOMETHING THERE WHERE THE PEOPLE COULD GO TO, THEY PROBABLY WOULDN'T MAKE THAT COMMUTE ALL THE WAY TO DALE MABRY, YOU KNOW, WHICH -- I MEAN, IT'S JUST HORRIBLE THAT IT'S EVEN AS CONGESTED AS IT IS. THAT'S JUST ANOTHER STORY WITH THE SCHOOLS AND IT'S JUST UNFORTUNATE HOW THAT ALL HAPPENS, BUT, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER ANY TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS COMES UP, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT THE SAME 20 PEOPLE THAT COME UP NO MATTER WHAT IT IS, AND, YOU KNOW, I JUST HOPE YOU-ALL WILL CONSIDER THAT. THIS IS A GREAT -- THIS IS A GREAT DEVELOPMENT FOR THE AREA. >>KEN HAGAN: THANK YOU, MR. ARCURI. NEXT, PLEASE. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS GUNTHER FLAIG, 7712 WEST COUNTY LINE ROAD. THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER PRETTY MUCH TOOK THE WIND OUT OF MY SAILS, BUT WHEN I MOVED INTO THE AREA SOME 15 YEARS AGO -- AND WE LIVE IN THE KEYSTONE AREA -- THERE WERE NO SERVICES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AT ALL, AND IN THE MEANTIME, THOUGH, SUBURBIA HAS SURROUNDED US AND BROUGHT A LOT OF TRAFFIC TO THE AREA, AND -- AND WHAT'S REALLY MISSING IN THE GENERAL AREA -- BECAUSE -- ARE SERVICES, ARE LOCAL SERVICES. THIS APPLICATION JUST HAPPENS TO BE AT THE IDEAL LOCATION FOR SERVICES, RIGHT NEXT TO AN INTERSTATE THAT I, AS A TAXPAYER, FEEL I HELPED -- NOT AN INTERSTATE, SUNCOAST PARKWAY TOLL ROAD THAT I FEEL AS A TAXPAYER I HELPED PAY FOR IN ONE SHAPE OR ANOTHER. NOW I THINK MY TAX DOLLARS SHOULD BE STRETCHED A LITTLE BIT AND PROVIDE ME WITH SERVICES THERE IN ORDER TO, AGAIN, CUT DOWN TRAFFIC TIME ON THE ROADS, WHICH -- WHICH WE SHARE WITH ALL THE OTHER RESIDENTS, WHETHER THEY LIVE IN THE LOW- DENSITY AREAS OR IN THE HIGHER-DENSITY AREAS. THE LIVING PATTERN OUT THERE IS PRETTY MUCH THAT. EVERYBODY COMES HOME AT BETWEEN 5:00 AND 6:00, AND THEN SHORTLY AFTER DINNER EVERYBODY GOES OUT SHOPPING AGAIN, AND BECAUSE THERE ARE NO SERVICES, THE ROADS ARE CONSTANTLY BUSY WITH TRAFFIC, AND THEREFORE, I THINK IT WOULD BE JUST BETTER -- BETTER LIVING FOR EVERYBODY TO START PROVIDING SENSIBLE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES, AND I DO FEEL THAT, AGAIN, THIS LOCATION IS JUST PERFECT BECAUSE PEOPLE COME HOME, COULD DO THEIR SHOPPING OR COMMERCIAL -- DO THEIR COMMERCIAL DEALINGS RIGHT THERE AND DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO GO OUT AGAIN AFTER DINNER. IT'S FOR THAT REASON THAT I SUPPORT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST. THANK YOU. >>KEN HAGAN: THANK YOU, SIR. NEXT, PLEASE. >> HI. MY NAME IS ANDREW JORDAN. I LIVE AT 16311 MILLAN DE AVILA. I'VE LIVED IN NORTHWEST HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SINCE 1986, AND I'M ALSO AN EMPLOYER IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY. THIS IS MY FIRST TIME COMING IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL, AND I CAME DOWN HERE BECAUSE I'VE WATCHED SOME OF THE SHOWS, AND TONIGHT I'VE HEARD YOU GUYS TALK A LOT ABOUT 13 ACRES AND - - OR WHAT BOILS DOWN TO 13 ACRES AND THE EDGE OF A BOUNDARY, AND I'M COMING AT THIS FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF THE LARGER PICTURE. I'VE BROUGHT $100 MILLION WORTH OF OUTSIDE BUSINESS INTO HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND I'VE EMPLOYED OVER A HUNDRED PEOPLE. AND WITH THE WAY THE ECONOMY HAS DOWNTURNED, YOU GUYS HAVE TALKED A LOT ABOUT LOCAL ISSUES, BUT I SEE THIS AS A BIGGER PICTURE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AT A LOCAL LEVEL. I NOW HAVE FIVE EMPLOYEES WHERE I USED TO EMPLOY A HUNDRED. A LOT OF THOSE EMPLOYEES LIVE IN THE AREA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. IN MY BUSINESS WE TALK ABOUT SCENARIO PLANNING, AND ONE OF THOSE SCENARIOS IS THE WORST-CASE SCENARIO. IT'S MY OPINION, YOU KNOW -- AND AFTER LIVING THAT AND SEEING WHAT MY EMPLOYEES HAVE GONE THROUGH -- THAT FINANCIALLY WE'RE THERE. OUR PRESIDENT HAS TOLD THE CITIZENS RECENTLY THAT WE'RE NOT FINISHED FALLING YET, SO DOES THAT MEAN ONLY IN NEBRASKA OR IN FARAWAY PLACES? NO, IT MEANS RIGHT HERE IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY. IN THE AREA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THERE ARE A LOT OF FORECLOSURES, THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT OF WORK, AND SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE USED TO WORK FOR ME. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THOSE PEOPLE WORKING AGAIN, SO IF A PROJECT LIKE THIS CAN CREATE EMPLOYMENT, GENERATE TAX REVENUE, AND JUST BE AN OVERALL BENEFIT TO THE WHOLE AREA, IT'S MY REQUEST THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER TAKING THAT BIG PICTURE MORE INTO CONSIDERATION INSTEAD OF FIGHTING OVER A LINE. THANK YOU. >>KEN HAGAN: THANK YOU, SIR. NEXT, PLEASE. WELCOME. >> HI THERE. AND THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO COME BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING. MY NAME IS SHEILA ARCURI. I LIVE IN CHEVAL, 18913 CHEVAL -- CHAVILLE ROAD. SORRY. AS A MOTHER OF THREE CHILDREN THAT ATTEND THOSE SCHOOLS AND THAT WILL BE ATTENDING THOSE SCHOOLS FOR YEARS AND YEARS TO COME, I FEEL LIKE I REPRESENT MANY, MANY OTHER MOTHERS AS WE DO TALK A BIT AMONG EACH OTHER, AND I AM -- I'M VERY INVOLVED WITH THE SCHOOL, WITH CHURCH, AND WE ALL -- WE ALL TALK, AND WE ARE ALL -- WHAT WE WOULD WELCOME, WELCOME SOME COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. WE ARE KNOCKING OURSELVES OUT RUNNING OUR KIDS AROUND ALL OVER. YOU KNOW, YOU TAKE YOUR LIFE AT RISK SOMETIMES, SERIOUSLY, AT VAN DYKE AND DALE MABRY OR LUTZ-LAKE FERN AND DALE MABRY. ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO BETTER MAYBE OUR HOME LIFE AND OUR FAMILY LIFE AND BE ABLE JUST TO RUN OUT AND GRAB A BITE TO EAT RIGHT THERE CLOSE TO WHERE WE LIVE, RIGHT THERE CLOSE TO THE SCHOOL -- YOU KNOW, IT IS SUBURBIA. AS MUCH AS ANYBODY MAY HOPE THAT IT ISN'T SUBURBIA, IT IS SUBURBIA, AND, YOU KNOW -- AND WE AS PARENTS CERTAINLY WOULD LOVE TO ENTERTAIN, SPEND OUR MONEY, OUR DOLLARS THERE WITHIN OUR OWN LITTLE AREA AND TRY TO SUPPORT OUR LITTLE AREA AS OPPOSED TO HAVING TO DRAG OUR CHILDREN, YOU KNOW, OUT FOR A 20-MINUTE RIDE TO GRAB A BITE TO EAT. LIKE -- LIKE I HAD HEARD BEFORE, THIS WAS A BOUNDARY DISPUTE, AND, YOU KNOW, IT REALLY SOUNDS LIKE A POWER -- A POWER STRUGGLE MAYBE, BUT FOR THE COMMON FOLKS, FOR THE MOMS, FOR THE KIDS THAT JUST WANT TO GO OUT AND HAVE ICE CREAM OR WHATEVER, WE WOULD REALLY, REALLY LOVE TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THANKS FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. >>KEN HAGAN: THANK YOU, MA'AM. NEXT, PLEASE. >> SHEILA, YOU'RE TALLER THAN ME. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME'S JASON GARCIA, 19314 SEA MIST LANE, WHICH IS IN HERITAGE HARBOR. I'M ALSO A REAL ESTATE AGENT IN THE AREA. I FEEL THIS PROJECT WOULD DEFINITELY HELP ONCE THE REAL ESTATE MARKET ACTUALLY STOPS FALLING AND STARTS TO RECOVER. I THINK HAVING SOME OF THESE COMMERCIAL SERVICES IN PLACE IN THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION WOULD HELP THE REBOUND OF THE HOME VALUES IN THE AREA. YOU KNOW, NOBODY IN HERITAGE HARBOR PROBABLY ELSE WILL SHOW UP TONIGHT. OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE HAVE BUSY SCHEDULES, BUT IN SPEAKING WITH MOST OF MY NEIGHBORS IN THE SURROUNDING AREA, THEY WOULD BE FOR THE PROJECT A HUNDRED PERCENT, MAKE IT MUCH MORE EASY FOR THEM TO GO SHOPPING IN THE EVENINGS. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THE EXIT AND ENTRANCE RAMP THERE. THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON THAT LUTZ-LAKE FERN CORRIDOR I'M SURE ARE GREATLY APPRECIATIVE OF THAT BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO SAVE A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT AND OBVIOUSLY GAS PRICES. SO THAT'S -- I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SAY PLEASE CONSIDER IT, AND THAT'S IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. >>KEN HAGAN: THANK YOU, SIR. IF NO ONE ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK -- OH, OKAY. PLEASE COME DOWN. JUST KIDDING. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. COUNTY COMMISSION, MY NAME'S ED BARBARA, AND I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF THE KEYSTONE AREA SINCE 1989, AND I'VE NEVER COME BEFORE YOU BEFORE. I DON'T KNOW ANY OF YOU, BUT LATELY I'VE BEEN VIEWING THE RERUNS OF THE BOCC ON TV, AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT I KEEP SEEING THE FIVE OR THE TEN SAME PEOPLE COME, AND WHAT I BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT IS SPEAKING AGAINST GROWTH AND JOBS IN THIS AREA AND WHERE -- OUR NEWSPAPERS -- AND I USE THAT WORD KIND OF LOOSELY BECAUSE I THINK THAT THEY OUGHT TO BE CALLED LIBERAL VIEW COMMENTARIES, BUT THEY MAKE IT SOUND LIKE PEOPLE ARE WANTING TO KEEP THE LID ON THIS COUNTY, AND THAT'S NOT WHAT'S BEING TALKED ABOUT AROUND OUR MAILBOXES, AND THAT'S NOT WHAT'S BEING TALKED ABOUT AROUND THE WATER COOLERS, GOD WILLING WE STILL HAVE JOBS TO TALK AROUND THE WATER COOLERS, AND THAT'S NOT WHAT'S BEING TALKED ABOUT AT THE BALL FIELDS. WHAT'S BEING TALKED ABOUT IS WE NEED TO GROW AND WE NEED TO NOT LET SOME ACTIVISTS TALK ABOUT -- YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS THE LAND IS TAKEN CARE OF AND THE WETLANDS ARE MOVED OR WHATEVER, TWO HOMES ON 13 ACRES OF LAND WHERE WE COULD BUILD -- BUILD BUSINESS AND BUILD JOBS, THAT'S WHAT'S IMPORTANT, THAT'S WHAT THIS COUNTY NEEDS. I'VE GOT TWO SEVEN-YEAR-OLD TWIN BOYS AND A TEN-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER, AND YOU KNOW, MY WIFE'S A MOM AND A PART-TIME TEACHER. WHERE ARE MY KIDS GOING TO WORK? I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO LEAVE THIS COUNTY. WHY DO SO MANY PEOPLE LIVE ON THE FRINGES OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND PASCO? BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH LESS IN -- GOVERNMENT INTRUSION IN THEIR LIVES AND THE TAXES ARE LESS, BUT THEY COME OVER INTO OUR COUNTY, BEAT UP OUR ROADS, TAKE OUR JOBS, AND CLOG OUR STREETS. I MEAN, GUNN -- GUNN HIGHWAY, THAT SHOULD BE GUNN STREET. I MEAN, IT'S NOT A HIGHWAY. WE NEED GROWTH IN THIS COUNTY, AND WE NEED YOU TO STAND UP AND TAKE CARE OF IT FOR US, AND THAT'S WHAT YOUR VOTERS ARE TALKING ABOUT. I MEAN, WE NEED SECURITY AND WE NEED JOBS, AND I ASK YOU TO -- TO STAND UP FOR THIS AND LET GROWTH HAPPEN. THANK YOU. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS RON BENT, 5277 EHRLICH ROAD, TAMPA, FLORIDA. I BELIEVE THIS PROPERTY IS A GREAT ASSET TO THE CITIZENS OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, AND I BEG AND PLEAD WITH YOU TO PLEASE VOTE TOGETHER TO CHANGE THE USES OF THIS PROPERTY IN ORDER FOR THIS PROPERTY TO BE UTILIZED FOR THE BEST POTENTIAL WAY TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY. FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED HERE TONIGHT, PRO OR AGAINST, I MEAN, EVERYONE HERE WILL BENEFIT BY HAVING THIS DEVELOPMENT. THE DESTINATION FROM THIS PROPERTY TO THE SCHOOLS, TO THE ROAD THAT'S BEING WIDENED FROM DALE MABRY TO -- I MEAN, ALL THE FACTS HAVE BEEN STATED ALREADY, BUT THEY'RE JUST -- THEY'RE JUST HARD NOT TO REPEAT BECAUSE THEY JUST SEEM LIKE IT'S SO BLATANTLY OBVIOUS THAT THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY IS THIS IDEAL FOR -- IT'S CALLING FOR SOMETHING -- SOME CHANGE. THE SUNCOAST PARKWAY IS BEING INSTALLED RIGHT NOW, THE RAMPS WILL BE IN. THERE'S THREE SCHOOLS RIGHT THERE, THE ROAD IS BEING WIDENED FROM DALE MABRY -- FROM DALE MABRY TO THE -- IN FRONT OF THIS PROPERTY. THE SUNCOAST TRAIL ACTUALLY MEANDERS AROUND THE BACK OF THIS PROPERTY. WHAT AN IDEAL SITUATION FOR A DESTINATION FOR FAMILIES, FOR SOMETHING TO BE THERE. I MEAN, IT LITERALLY WRAPS AROUND THE BACK OF THIS PROPERTY. THOUSANDS OF RESIDENTS LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I'M SURE EVERYONE'S WORKING. IT'S HARD TO COME DOWN AND SPEAK UP, BUT PLEASE LET THIS PROPERTY HELP SERVE OUR CITIZENS OF HILLSBOROUGH, PROVIDE THEM CONVENIENT AND EFFICIENT SERVICES, CREATING JOBS. CONSTRUCTION BEING THE INDUSTRY IT IS, IT NEEDS WHATEVER STIMULATION IT CAN GET BY YOU FOLKS UP THERE BECAUSE WE NEED YOUR HELP. THIS PROJECT WILL HELP TO GENERATE TAXES TO MAYBE HELP OFFSET THE COST OF PUTTING IN DALE MABRY, WHICH WILL COMPLEMENT THIS PROJECT. IT'S A FOUR-LANE HIGHWAY. IT DEAD ENDS RIGHT INTO THIS PROJECT. IT JUST MAKES SO MUCH SENSE, AND I REALLY HOPE YOU GUYS CAN JUST LOOK AT THE FACTS AND LISTEN TO THE CITIZENS AND -- AND HELP US GET THIS THING PASSED. THANK YOU. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. TODD SCIMI, 4706 NORTH THATCHER AVENUE, TAMPA, FLORIDA 33614. CAME THIS EVENING TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THIS REQUEST. I'M NOT SURE IF THE REQUEST IS TO ASK YOU TO VOTE TO GO TO DCA OR IF -- IF YOU DECIDE YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THAT AND YOU'RE GOING TO ASK FOR A DECISION TO BE RENDERED THIS EVENING, I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU SUPPORT THIS PETITION. I'M ASKING THAT -- I WAS AT LUTZ-LAKE FERN LAST NIGHT WITH MY FRIEND WHO'S LIVED THERE, MY BEST FRIEND'S FAMILY, MOM AND DAD, LIVE THERE WITH OVER AN ACRE, AND YOU CAN SEE THE STEINBRENNER SCHOOL, YOU CAN SEE THE MIDDLE SCHOOL RIGHT THERE THAT THEIR SON ATTENDS, AND YOU CAN SEE THE CHANGE THAT'S TAKING PLACE RIGHT THERE. YOU KNOW, HERE WE HAVE A PETITIONER WHO WENT FROM 350 ACRES, PLUS OR MINUS, DOWN TO 35, 36 IS THEIR REQUEST. THEY WILL MEET AND HAVE MET THE EPC CRITERIA, THE SWFWMD CRITERIA. THIS -- AND THE COUNTY HAS PROPERLY PLANNED AND WASTE MANAGEMENT TO PUT THE PROPER INFRASTRUCTURE, WATER AND SEWER, ABUTTING AND FACING THIS PROPERTY. IT IS THERE. SOMEBODY DID THE HOMEWORK FOR THE COUNTY, AND USUALLY THE COUNTY, UNLESS YOU'RE A MILE AWAY, MAKES YOU RUN THAT MILE AT THE DEVELOPER'S EXPENSE AND PAY FOR THAT CONNECTION SO THAT THE COUNTY CAN FAIRLY GET THEIR RECIPROCATION OF THE WORK THAT THEY LAID IN ADVANCE. SO THIS EVENING TONIGHT, I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE SOME OPPOSITION, I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE ARE NOT HAPPY THAT THE SUNCOAST AND -- THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DECIDED TO PUT THE SUNCOAST PARKWAY RIGHT DOWN THERE, AND NOW MAYBE THEY'RE USING IT AND THEY'RE BENEFITING FROM IT, AND MAYBE THEIR OPINIONS HAVE CHANGED, BUT THIS EVENING TONIGHT YOU SEE A DEVELOPER, A LOCAL DEVELOPER WHO HAS PUT TOGETHER A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF PROPERTY ON NORTH DALE MABRY, WHICH IS USUALLY PACKED IN THE HOURS OF OPERATION. HE'S NOT WAL-MART, HE'S NOT FROM NEW YORK CITY, HE'S A LOCAL DEVELOPER, AND HE'S GOING TO MEET THE CRITERIA. I MET MR. GRIFFIN THE LAST TIME AT CHRISTMAS AT THE NEW WIREGRASS, A BEAUTIFUL FACILITY ON THE CORNER OF 56 AND BRUCE B. DOWNS, ANOTHER HEAVILY TRAFFICKED AREA. IT WAS GREAT TO SEE HIM THEN, IT'S GREAT TO SEE YOU THIS EVENING, SIR, AND I JUST RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR CONSIDERATION IN THE APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT AS IT FRONTS LUTZ-LAKE FERN ROAD. GOD BLESS YOU, AND THANK YOU. >>KEN HAGAN: THANK YOU, SIR. NEXT, PLEASE. GOOD EVENING. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. SHOULD I SAY USUAL SUSPECT, SHOULD I SAY ONE OF THOSE COMMUNITY ACTIVISTS? HERE I AM. BARBARA DOWLING, 5215 WILCOX ROAD, KEYSTONE AREA. GUILTY AS CHARGED. [LAUGHTER] HERE WE ARE TWO WEEKS LATER AND TWO MORE PLAN ATTACKS ON OUR COMMUNITY-BASED PLANS, EXCEPT WE HAVE ANOTHER ATTACK HERE, AND I THINK THAT'S ON OUR PLANNING COMMISSION. I'VE NEVER HEARD OF JUST SENDING SOMETHING TO DCA WITHOUT YOU EITHER VOTING OR NOT VOTING. I DON'T THINK YOU'RE OF THE TEMPERAMENT TO LET SOMEBODY ELSE DO YOUR JOBS FOR YOU, AND I HOPE THAT YOU DON'T. PLEASE LET'S NOT LOSE SIGHT OF THE FACT THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS INCREASING DENSITIES IN AN SMU-6. A HUNDRED -- UP TO 175,000 SQUARE FEET. I CAN'T BELIEVE I COULD LOSE MY VOICE. EXCUSE ME. THE INTERESTING THING OF SMU-6 IS YOU'VE GOT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, SO WHAT EXACTLY IS GOING TO GO THERE? NOW, I DO HAVE TO REPLY THAT THE STAFF DID TAKE THE SUNCOAST PARKWAY UNDER CONSIDERATION, AND THIS IS IN YOUR BACKUP. I COULDN'T BEGIN TO TELL YOU WHAT PAGE IT IS, BUT THE STUDY OF THE VETERANS EXPRESSWAY CORRIDOR, THE STUDY STATED THAT GENERALLY THE EXISTENCE OF THE EXPRESSWAY SHOULD NOT BE USED TO JUSTIFY THE ESTABLISHMENT OF NEW COMMERCIAL AREAS WITHIN THESE OTHERWISE RESIDENTIAL OR RURAL AREAS. IN YOUR BACKUP, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF DID HAVE THAT THERE. WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LUTZ-LAKE FERN ROAD, FOR HEAVEN'S SAKES, WE DON'T REALLY WANT TO PUT MORE COMMERCIAL ON IT, AND YOU KNOW WHY? WE'RE GOING TO HAVE DUMP TRUCKS FROM THE BORROW PIT THAT -- THAT WONDERFUL PRISTINE 320-PLUS ACRES, WELL, 300 OF THOSE HAVE BEEN GIVEN OVER TO DOING A BORROW PIT. NOW, THE SAME APPLICANT WHO -- WHEN REQUESTED THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT SAID THAT THIS AREA WAS RURAL TO GET THE BORROW PIT, NOW THEY WANT COMMERCIAL, SO IT IS NOW SUBURBAN USE. I'M AFRAID TO SAY WHAT'S NEXT. I NEVER SAW THE DCA THING COMING EITHER. AND DON'T FORGET WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT WILDLIFE HABITAT, AND WASN'T THIS DONE BECAUSE OF THE IMPACTS OF THE BORROW PIT? NOW WE WANT TO WIPE IT OUT TO MAKE WAY FOR MORE RETAIL STORES. NOW, THAT'S A FRIEND OF THE ENVIRONMENT. ARE WE GOING TO CALL IT THE SANDHILL CRANE SHOPPING CENTER TOO? PLEASE 08-09 IS INCONSISTENT WITH 40 -- COUNTED THEM AGAIN -- 40 GOALS, OBJECTIVES, AND POLICIES IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND 09-01 IS 29. PLEASE DON'T FORGET THE TEN CRITERIA TO MOVE THE URBAN SERVICE AREA. THE APPLICANT BARELY MEETS FIVE, AND THE LAST TIME I WENT TO SCHOOL -- AND WE DON'T NEED TO COMMENT ON HOW LONG AGO THAT WAS -- 50% IS STILL A FAILING GRADE. AND THEN THERE IS THE WITHDRAWING OUT OF THE KEYSTONE PLAN. WHERE IS HE GOING TO GO TO, LUTZ? THAT -- YOU NEED MORE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS TO DO THAT. PASCO? I DON'T THINK SO. COMMISSIONERS, WE EITHER UPHOLD AND SUPPORT OUR COMMUNITY PLANS OR WE DON'T. TWO WEEKS AGO, WITH A 7-0 VOTE, YOU UPHELD NOT JUST THE KEYSTONE PLAN BUT ALL THE COMMUNITY PLANS -- >>KEN HAGAN: THANK YOU, MS. DOWLING. >> -- FOR WHICH I'M THANKFUL, AND EVERYBODY WHO'S AGAINST THIS TONIGHT, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE STAND. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>KEN HAGAN: THANK YOU, MS. DOWLING. NEXT, PLEASE. WELCOME. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS KELLY CORNELIUS. MY ADDRESS IS 18732 DOORMAN ROAD IN LITHIA. IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT THESE ARE TWO PLAN AMENDMENTS BEING HEARD TOGETHER AND YOU GAVE THE APPLICANT DOUBLE THE TIME, I HOPE YOU WOULD BE CONSIDERATE OF CITIZENS SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO PLANS COMBINED, AMENDMENTS. MY FIRST CONCERN IS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST WITH -- WITH COMMISSIONER HAGAN. I'VE GOT AN ARTICLE HERE FROM THE ST. PETE TIMES BY MICHAEL VAN SICKLER SAYING THAT THE APPLICANT, WHO IS STEVEN DIBBS, I BELIEVE, HOSTED A FUNDRAISER, SO IT SEEMS A LITTLE ODD TO BE ASKING FOR A CHANGING OF THE RULES BY SOMEONE THAT'S HOSTED A FUNDRAISER. I DON'T KNOW WHO WE CAN ASK, MAYBE -- MAYBE OUR INTERNAL PERFORMANCE AUDITOR. HE SEEMS TO BE A JACK OF ALL TRADES. OH, YEAH, HE'S IN VEGAS. BUT THAT JUST -- THAT WAS THE FIRST THING THAT CAME TO MIND. WE'RE FIGHTING AGAINST SOMETHING TO -- AGAINST SOMEONE WHO HELPS YOU WITH YOUR FUNDRAISING. THE NEXT THING IN THIS ARTICLE SAID THE CONTACT PERSON FOR THE TWO EVENTS IS HUNG MAI, AN ENGINEER HIRED BY DIBBS. NOW, HUNG MAI IS NOW A PLANNING COMMISSIONER THANKS TO ALL OF YOU BUT MR. WHITE, MS. FERLITA, AND COMMISSIONER BECKNER. THANK YOU GUYS FOR NOT VOTING FOR HIM. BUT HE, ACCORDING TO MY RESEARCH, ALSO RECUSED HIMSELF FROM VOTING ON THESE TWO AMENDMENTS IF MY RESEARCH IS CORRECT BECAUSE OF HIS TIES WITH THE DEVELOPER, SO I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD DO THE SAME. THIS IS JUST A BREACH OF THE URBAN SERVICE AREA, THIS IS A VIOLATION OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THIS IS A CREATION OF SPRAWL. DON'T FORGET WE'RE OUT OF WATER. THIS IS -- VIOLATES A COMMUNITY PLAN, AND I HOPE THAT YOU WOULD NOT CIRCUMVENT THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, SIMILAR TO WHAT HAPPENED TWO WEEKS AGO WHEN YOU VOTED IT DOWN, THE REQUEST DOWN, BUT THEN DIRECTED YOUR STAFF TO FIND ANOTHER WAY TO DO THE SAME THING, WHICH IS QUITE DISCOURAGING ON THOSE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODES, SO - - AND WHILE I HAVE THE CHANCE, I'D LIKE TO GIVE CONGRATULATIONS TO COMMISSIONER FERLITA FOR WINNING THE WOMEN OF DISTINCTION AWARD FROM THE GIRL SCOUTS. CONGRATULATIONS. ALSO YOUR JOSEPHINE HOWARD STAFFORD MEMORIAL AWARD, GREAT JOB. COMMISSIONER BECKNER, LEGISLATOR OF THE YEAR ALREADY FOR THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF SOCIAL WORKERS, SO TO THE REST OF YOU, I HOPE YOU FOLLOW THEIR FINE EXAMPLE, OR YOU CAN FOLLOW THE EXAMPLE OF EX-COMMISSIONER BLAIR. THANK YOU. >>KEN HAGAN: THANK YOU, MS. CORNELIUS. AND I JUST WANT TO COMMENT THAT UNFORTUNATELY YOU CANNOT BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU READ IN THE PAPERS AND ON THE BLOGS. MR. DIBBS HAS NEVER HELD A FUNDRAISER FOR ME, AND EVEN IF HE HAD, THAT'S A RIDICULOUS STANDARD TO TRY AND ENFORCE. WELCOME. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. PAM CLOUSTON, 1621 THOMPSON ROAD IN LITHIA, RURAL LITHIA, ON THAT END OF THE COUNTY, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS END OF THE COUNTY. I ALSO, COMMISSIONER FERLITA, WOULD LIKE TO CONGRATULATE YOU AS WELL. I WOULD HAVE BEEN HERE YESTERDAY, BUT I HAVE COMPANY FROM OUT OF TOWN, AND I JUST COULDN'T SORT OF BREAK AWAY TWO DAYS IN A ROW. AND ALSO COMMISSIONER BECKNER. YOU KNOW WHAT, I -- I'M A NIMBY. I DON'T WANT IT IN MY BACKYARD, BUT I DON'T WANT IT IN THEIR BACKYARD EITHER. THE SUNCOAST PARKWAY WAS NOT MEANT TO ALLOW MASSIVE DEVELOPMENT AT EVERY SINGLE INTERCHANGE THAT WAS THERE. EXPANDING THE URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY PROMOTES SMALL -- SPRAWL, WHICH WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID. THIS VIOLATES THE KEYSTONE-ODESSA PLAN. THEY MADE A COMMUNITY PLAN. LUTZ MADE A COMMUNITY PLAN. I BELIEVE THE KEYSTONE-ODESSA PLAN WENT INTO EFFECT IN 2001. THEY SAW THE SUNCOAST PARKWAY COMING, THEY SAW WHAT HAPPENED IN LUTZ, AND THEY SAID WE'VE GOT TO GET BUSY AND MAKE A COMMUNITY PLAN, AND THEY DID IT. I BELIEVE MR. DIBBS BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY IN 2004. THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN AT LEAST THREE YEARS AFTER, SO HE SAW THE SUNCOAST PARKWAY COMING IN, HE SAW A BIG TRACT OF LAND COMING IN, AND JUST LIKE OTHER SPECULATORS, YOU KNOW, WENT OUT TO A RURAL AREA AND BOUGHT A LARGE TRACT OF LAND. IF THIS GOES FORWARD, THAT IS JUST GOING TO HAPPEN LIKE A HOUSE OF CARDS, A PILE OF DOMINOS ALL OVER THIS COUNTY. WHAT YOU VOTE ON THAT AFFECTS ONE PIECE OF THE COUNTY INEVITABLY COMES BACK. SOMEBODY ELSE IS GOING TO WANT TO PULL SOMETHING OUT OF SOMEBODY ELSE'S COMMUNITY PLAN, SOMEBODY ELSE IS GOING TO WANT TO MOVE THE URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY BECAUSE THEY WANT TO MAKE SOME KIND OF A DEVELOPMENT, AND SPEAKING OF THAT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING TO SUPPORT THE GOLF COURSES AT CHEVAL? WELL -- OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT SHOPPING? YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT NOT HAVING TO GO SO FAR TO SHOP. THEN WHY DID YOU MOVE SOMEPLACE WHERE THERE WAS NO SHOPPING? [LAUGHTER] THE OTHER THING IS CHEVAL. CHEVAL IS A BEAUTIFUL, BEAUTIFUL PLACE, BUT IT'S OVER HERE INSIDE THE URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY. CHEVAL DOES NOT WANT THE CHEVALS -- THAT'S FRENCH FOR HORSE -- THAT ARE IN KEYSTONE WALKING OVER THERE AND LEAVING CHEVAL APPLES ON THEIR FRONT YARDS. OKAY? SO THE PEOPLE IN THE RURAL AREAS ARE TIRED OF BEING ASSAULTED, AND WE ARE BEING ASSAULTED TIME AFTER TIME AFTER TIME. WE'VE GOT TO STOP THE SPRAWL. SOMEBODY HAS GOT TO MAKE A STAND ON THIS. WE'RE LOOKING AT TRANSIT, WE'RE LOOKING AT ACTIVITY CENTERS WHERE THERE'S GOING TO BE TRANSIT. YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, ARE YOU GOING TO RUN -- YOU GOING TO RUN TRAIN TRACKS OUT THERE? ANYWAY, I THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME. >>KEN HAGAN: THANK YOU, MS. CLOUSTON. NEXT, PLEASE. WELCOME. >> GOOD EVENING. LINDA MARTIN, 18520 TYLER ROAD, ODESSA. MANY OF MY THOUGHTS HAVE ALREADY BEEN COVERED, BUT I DO WANT TO RESTATE THE FACT THAT MR. DIBBS DID PURCHASE THE PROPERTY LONG AFTER OUR COMMUNITY PLAN WAS ADOPTED, AND IF HE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE PLAN, HE SHOULD HAVE, AND SHAME ON HIM. BUT I WANTED TO MAKE NOTE TOO THAT I WAS GLAD TO HEAR THE REPRESENTATIVES OF MR. DIBBS ARE GIVING SUCH GOOD CREDIBILITY RATINGS TO THE DCA, WHICH HAS BEEN UNDER ATTACK LATELY, AND I HOPE THAT YOU'RE TAKING NOTES AND HELP SUPPORT ALL OF OUR REGULATORY AGENCIES AND KEEP THEM WHERE THEY ARE BECAUSE GOD KNOWS HOW MANY FORECLOSED HOUSES WE WOULD HAVE IF WE HAD NO REGULATORY AGENCIES. WE ARE SEEING A LACK OF -- EVEN THOUGH WE DO HAVE A GOOD TURNOUT TONIGHT, WE ARE SEEING LESS BECAUSE A STATEMENT WAS MADE AT THE LAST MEETING THAT THE AMOUNT OF CITIZENS OR THE AMOUNT OF PHONE CALLS OR THE AMOUNT OF E-MAILS DIDN'T REALLY MATTER TO YOU GUYS, AND I HOPE THAT WAS A MISSTATEMENT. ALSO I DON'T THINK A HOTEL IS SUCH A GOOD IDEA NEXT TO A HIGH SCHOOL. IT DOESN'T -- THOSE TWO THINGS DON'T GO TOGETHER IN MY BOOK. AND I'M FROM THE OLD BOOK. BROOKER CREEK HEADWATERS ARE THERE, BUT IT'S THE HEADWATERS, AND RIGHT NOW BROOKER CREEK IN MY AREA IS DRY. IT'S NOT A GOOD BOUNDARY FOR ANYTHING. IT'S THERE AND WE LOVE IT AND WE PROTECT IT, BUT I THINK THAT THE BOUNDARIES SHOULD STAY THE SUNCOAST PARKWAY. PLANNING COMMISSIONER AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING THAT DENIED THE PREVIOUS AMENDMENTS, JERRY KING, STATED IN JANUARY WHEN YOU BUY INTO A DEED RESTRICTED COMMUNITY, YOU DON'T GET TO OPT OUT, AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT MR. DIBBS IS TRYING TO DO, CREATE THIS DOUGHNUT HOLE TO NOWHERE. IT WILL MEAN NOTHING TO ANYONE BUT MR. DIBBS, AND HE'S PROBABLY DONE VERY WELL IN OTHER AREAS, BUT THIS AREA I THINK HE SHOULD LEAVE ALONE. HE'S -- WE'RE NOT SAYING HE CAN'T DO ANYTHING. HE HAS THE RIGHT AND THE PRIVILEGE TO DO -- TO BUILD COMMERCIAL AND WHATEVER ELSE HE'S ALLOWED TO BUILD THERE, SO I'M ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER OUR LITTLE SIGNS. IT'S INCONSISTENT WITH YOUR PLAN, AND PLEASE DENY IT. >>KEN HAGAN: THANK YOU, MS. MARTIN. NEXT, PLEASE. GOOD EVENING. >> MY NAME IS SAM PRENTICE, 18909 HUCKAVALLE ROAD, ODESSA, FLORIDA 33556. WE OPPOSE THIS REQUEST TO BRING URBAN FACILITIES INTO THE KEYSTONE AND TO INCREASE THE ZONING DENSITIES. EXCUSE ME. OUR COMMUNITY-BASED PLAN STATES THAT WATER AND SEWER WILL NOT BE FORCED UPON KEYSTONE RESIDENTS. THE PEOPLE OF KEYSTONE WORKED LONG AND HARD AND ATTENDED MANY MEETINGS TO PREPARE AND AGREE ON WHAT THEY WANTED AND WHAT WAS BEST FOR THE COMMUNITY. IN 2001 THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY COMMISSION APPROVED WHAT HAD BEEN AGREED UPON. KEYSTONE RESIDENTS HAVE SPENT HOURS BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION OPPOSING AMENDMENT REQUESTS AND COMPANION ITEMS. WHY MUST WE KEEP DEFENDING A PLAN THAT WAS UNANIMOUS WITH RESIDENTS AND COMMISSIONERS? THE APPLICANT HAD KNOWLEDGE OF ZONING AND LAND USE RESTRICTIONS WHEN HE BOUGHT THERE. HE'S A WELL-KNOWN DEVELOPER WITH INTIMATE KNOWLEDGE OF OUR COMP PLAN, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND COMMUNITY PLANS. HE WAS CLEARLY AWARE OF THE ALLOWABLE USES AND RESTRICTIONS OF HIS PROPERTY WHEN HE PURCHASED IT IN 2004. THE KEYSTONE-ODESSA COMMUNITY PLAN HAS BEEN IN EFFECT SINCE 2001. HE DOES NOT LIVE ON THE PROPERTY AND HAS NO APPARENT INTEREST IN BECOMING A MEMBER OF OUR COMMUNITY. INSTEAD, HE IS DEVELOPING A BORROW PIT AND WANTS TO BUILD COMMERCIAL IN OUR RURAL COMMUNITY. IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THE APPLICANT WANTS TO DAMAGE OUR COMMUNITY PLAN FOR HIS FINANCIAL GAIN. HENCE, HIS CLAIM OF PROPERTY RIGHTS OR HARDSHIP HAS NO MERIT. HE CREATED HIS OWN PROBLEMS. PLEASE DENY THIS AMENDMENT. THANK YOU. >>KEN HAGAN: THANK YOU, SIR. NEXT, PLEASE. [APPLAUSE] WELCOME. >> GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE. MY NAME IS JAN FOWLER, 18330 CRAWLEY ROAD, ODESSA, FLORIDA 33556. WE KEEP COMING BACK AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN TO PROTECT OUR RURAL AREA. I WAS JUST GOING TO COME UP AND ASK FOR A DENIAL, BUT AFTER HEARING SOME OF THE COMMENTS FROM PEOPLE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SEE APPROVAL OF THESE AMENDMENTS, I HAVE TO, AGAIN, SAY WHY DID YOU MOVE TO A RURAL AREA IF YOU WANT A McDONALD'S NEXT DOOR? YOU KNOW, IF YOU THINK DALE MABRY'S SUCH A GREAT PLACE FOR A CUP OF COFFEE, I'M SURE YOU CAN GO BUY A HOUSE UP ON DALE MABRY. AND THEN THE OTHER COMMENT ABOUT TALKING ABOUT THE -- TALKING AROUND THE WATER COOLERS AT WORK, WHAT ABOUT WHEN WE DON'T HAVE ANY WATER TO FILL THE WATER COOLERS? I WOULD ASK THAT YOU DENY THESE AMENDMENTS. THANK YOU. >>KEN HAGAN: THANK YOU, MS. FOWLER. NEXT, PLEASE. [APPLAUSE] WELCOME. >> FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS TIMOTHY H. POWELL. I'M PRESIDENT OF TSP COMPANIES, INC. OUR ADDRESS IS POST OFFICE BOX 1016, TAMPA, FLORIDA 33601. I'M THE LAND DEVELOPMENT MANAGER FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER ADJACENT TO THESE AMENDMENTS, LMJ INVESTMENTS, MONIQUE AGIA, MANAGING PARTNER. LMJ'S PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE SUNCOAST PARKWAY INTERCHANGE WITH LUTZ-LAKE FERN ROAD. IT IS ENTITLED FOR UP TO 243 10,000-SQUARE-FOOT SINGLE- FAMILY LOTS AND 25,000-SQUARE-FEET OF NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, AND I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THIS, THAT'S FURTHER RESTRICTED BY RECORDED COVENANTS TO RURAL DESIGN STANDARDS. LMJ IS OPPOSED TO THESE PLAN AMENDMENTS. ALTHOUGH IT WOULD BE EASY TO CATEGORIZE LMJ'S OPPOSITION TO THAT OF NOT WANTING ADDITIONAL COMPETING COMMERCIAL, THEIR OBJECTIONS ARE PLANNING ISSUES AS WELL AS THE ESTABLISHED RULES OF THE GAME THAT HAVE EXISTED SINCE THE ADOPTION OF THE KEYSTONE-ODESSA COMMUNITY PLAN. THE AMENDMENTS WOULD, ONE, REMOVE THE PETITIONED PROPERTY FROM THE COMMUNITY PLAN, CREATING A NONCONFORMING ISLAND OF PLAN DESIGNATION; TWO, REQUIRE A WAIVER OF LOCATIONAL CRITERIA FOR THE REQUESTED COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL, AND THAT HAS NOT BEEN MENTIONED TONIGHT; THREE, CREATE A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT SO SIZED AS TO ATTRACT TRAFFIC FROM OUTSIDE THE COMMUNITY, AND IT'S VERY INTERESTING THAT NOBODY NOTED THAT -- THE LACK OF COMMERCIAL, BUT THEY FAILED TO MENTION STATE ROAD 54/SUNCOAST PARKWAY COMMERCIAL THAT'S ABOUT A MILE AWAY; FOUR, CREATE AN INCOMPATIBLE AND CONTRADICTORY LAND USE WITH THAT OF LMJ'S RURAL DESIGN STANDARD, NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, WHICH WAS DELIBERATELY CONDITIONED TO BE A GATEWAY INTO THE KEYSTONE COMMUNITY AT THE SUNCOAST INTERCHANGE. AND FIVE, COMPROMISE AND CORRUPT THE COMMUNITY PLAN STAKEHOLDER INVOLVEMENT PROCESS. LMJ HAS WORKED WITH THE COMMUNITY PLANS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, CONSIDERING THE PROJECT WAS PARTIALLY VESTED DUE TO BEING APPROVED IN 1992. IN 2006 LMJ VOLUNTARILY SUBJECTED ITSELF TO A RESTRICTED COVENANT, EMPLOYING MOST OF THE COMMERCIAL RURAL DESIGN STANDARDS DURING ITS PD MAJOR MODIFICATION FOR A PORTION OF THE STEINBRENNER HIGH SCHOOL SITE. OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS LMJ HAS DEVELOPED A CLOSE AND MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COMMUNITY CIVIC LEADERS. IT IS LMJ'S POSITION THAT THEY HAVE A CIVIC RESPONSIBILITY TO COMMUNICATE AND COLLABORATE WITH THE COMMUNITY IN DEVELOPING ONE OF THE LAST REMAINING LARGE DEVELOPMENTS IN THIS PART OF THE COUNTY. THE PLAN AMENDMENTS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT EXEMPT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FROM THE SAME STANDARDS THAT LMJ HAS WORKED WITH AND RESPECTED SINCE THE INCEPTION OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN, THEIR PRECEDENT-SETTING REQUEST THAT UP TO THIS POINT IN TIME WE AS COUNTY RESIDENTS HAVE NOT BEEN ALLOWED OR ENCOURAGED TO DO, AND THEREFORE, WE RECOMMEND THAT YOU DENY THESE AMENDMENTS. THANK YOU. >>KEN HAGAN: THANK YOU, MR. POWELL. NEXT, PLEASE. >> BUDDY RAWLS, 18110 BOY SCOUT ROAD, ODESSA 33556. FIFTH GENERATION BORN IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, RAISED IN THE NORTHWEST SECTION. I'VE LIVED IN KEYSTONE SINCE 1977, COMING FROM CITRUS PARK WHERE THE MALL HAD RUN MY DAD AND US OUT BECAUSE MY DAD WAS A HOG FARMER, SO NATURALLY IT DIDN'T GO REAL GOOD WITH A MALL AREA. THIS PROPERTY WOULD BECOME AN ISLAND OR A DOUGHNUT HOLE, AS MR. GRIFFIN HAS SAID IN HIS PRESENTATION, IF THIS GOES THROUGH. THE AMENDMENT WILL CHANGE MORE THAN THE KEYSTONE-ODESSA COMMUNITY PLAN. IT ALSO CHANGES OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, URBAN SERVICE AREA, AND THE LUTZ COMMUNITY PLAN. THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY IS IN KEYSTONE AREA. THE PROPERTY CANNOT BE TAKEN OUT OF THE KEYSTONE PLAN WITHOUT PUTTING IT INTO THE LUTZ PLAN. TO AVOID BOTH THE KEYSTONE AND LUTZ PLANS, THE BOCC MUST IGNORE OUR COMP PLAN, THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT STRATEGIES OF THE URBAN SERVICE AREA, AND THE COMBINED EXPERTISE OF 104 PROFESSIONAL PLANNING STAFFERS. THE PROPERTY WOULD THEN BECOME AN ISLAND THAT IS INCONSISTENT WITH OUR LAND USE POLICIES AND COMMON SENSE. IT'S INCONSISTENT. PLEASE DENY IT. ONE OTHER COMMENT. I'VE HEARD SEVERAL PEOPLE MENTION ABOUT CHEVAL AND COMING OUT WANTING A CUP OF COFFEE AND WHATNOT. I'M SURE YOU REALIZE THAT THE ACCESS FROM CHEVAL ONTO LUTZ- LAKE FERN ROAD TO GET TO THIS PROPERTY IS ABOUT THE SAME DISTANCE AS GOING TO DALE MABRY AND LUTZ-LAKE FERN WHERE YOU'VE GOT A PUBLIX AND SEVERAL SHOPS THERE, SO AGAIN, IT'S INCONSISTENT. PLEASE DENY IT. THANK YOU. >>KEN HAGAN: THANK YOU, MR. RAWLS. NEXT, PLEASE. [APPLAUSE] WELCOME. >> GOOD EVENING. JIM SWAIN, 18240 WAYNE ROAD, ODESSA. I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE LAKE KEYSTONE PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION. EIGHT YEARS AGO THE KEYSTONE-ODESSA COMMUNITY PLAN WAS PUT INTO LAW. THE PLAN SERVED TWO PURPOSES. THE FIRST WAS TO CLEARLY STATE THOSE THINGS WHICH MADE THE KEYSTONE AREA SPECIAL AND UNIQUE. THE SECOND WAS TO ESTABLISH LAWS FOR BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE COMMUNITY. THE PROPOSED LAND AMENDMENTS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT ARE AN ATTACK ON OUR COMMUNITY PLAN ON TWO FRONTS. NOT ONLY HAS THE APPLICANT ASKED TO BE EXCLUDED FROM FOLLOWING OUR COMMUNITY PLAN, BUT HE HAS OPENLY STATED HIS HATRED FOR OUR COMMUNITY ON A WEB SITE AND AN INTERVIEW THAT RAN IN THE ST. PETE TIMES TWO WEEKS AGO. HATRED IS WHAT HE SAID, HE HATES THE COMMUNITY, HE HATES THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY. IN SHORT, THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO SEE KEYSTONE PAVED OVER. SO THE QUESTION BEFORE YOU IS THIS: DOES AN INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNER'S RIGHTS TRUMP THE RIGHTS OF A COMMUNITY? AND DOES AN INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNER HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE EXCLUDED FROM FOLLOWING THE LAWS WHICH OUR COMMUNITY HAS FOLLOWED FOR EIGHT YEARS? WE BELIEVE THE QUESTION TO BOTH -- THE ANSWER TO BOTH THESE QUESTIONS IS NO. STEPHEN DIBBS IS NOT ABOVE THE LAW AND MUST FOLLOW OUR COMMUNITY PLAN JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. MAKE A DEAL WITH HIM TONIGHT AND YOU ARE OPENING THE DOOR FOR EVERY DEVELOPER WHO REFUSES TO PLAY BY THE RULES. OUR COMMUNITY DESERVES BETTER AND SO DO THE TAXPAYERS OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY. I STRONGLY URGE YOU TO DENY THIS -- THESE AMENDMENTS. I ALSO WANTED TO ASK OR MENTION ONE THING, WHICH I JUST FOUND VERY DISTURBING DURING THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION, AND THE SAME THING DURING THEIR PRESENTATION TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THEY HAVE SHOWN GRAPHICS WHICH SHOW THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY ON THE SUNCOAST. I WENT OUT THERE TODAY. IT'S 500 FEET AWAY FROM THE SUNCOAST. IT DOES NOT ABUT THE SUNCOAST, AND I THINK THIS IS REALLY DECEPTIVE BECAUSE WHAT THEY WERE SHOWING AND WHAT THEY'RE SAYING MAKES YOU FEEL IT'S ON THE SUNCOAST. IT IS NOT. IT IS INSIDE THE COMMUNITY BY A TENTH OF A MILE. PLEASE TAKE NOTE OF THAT. THANK YOU. >>KEN HAGAN: THANK YOU, MR. SWAIN. NEXT, PLEASE. [APPLAUSE] >> I'M MARIELLA SMITH, AND I LIVE IN RUSKIN, AND I WORKED VERY HARD ON THE RUSKIN COMMUNITY PLAN, AND THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TONIGHT, TO ASK YOU TO CONSIDER -- AS YOU CONSIDER AMENDING OUR WHOLE COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, CONSIDER THE PRECEDENT AND THE POLICIES YOU'LL BE SETTING FOR AMENDING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN THE FUTURE AND TO ALLOW EXCEPTIONS TO COMMUNITY PLANS. THESE PLANS -- COMMUNITY PLANS REPRESENT A HUGE INVESTMENT OF THE COUNTY'S RESOURCES, THE STAFF, THE TAXES, AND VOLUNTEER CITIZENS' TIME. IN RUSKIN WE SPENT EVERY -- EVERY TWO WEEKS WE HAD LONG MEETINGS AND WE ALSO DID A LOT OF HOMEWORK, AS I'M SURE THESE CITIZENS DID AND CITIZENS IN OTHER COMMUNITY PLANS AS WELL. OUR COMMUNITY PLAN WON AN AWARD, I WON AN AWARD FOR MY PARTICIPATION IN THAT PLAN, AS WELL AS PARTICIPATING IN OTHER PLANS. AND SO I'M HERE TONIGHT TO ASK YOU TO THINK VERY CAREFULLY BEFORE YOU WOULD ALLOW ONE INDIVIDUAL TO TRASH A COMMUNITY'S PLAN, TO TAKE THEIR BALL AND GO HOME, AND THINK ABOUT THE PRECEDENT YOU WOULD SET. THESE PLANS -- BY THE WAY, THEY'RE NOT LIKE A NIMBY STRONG HOLD AGAINST THE DEVELOPERS, THEY ARE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY TO WORK WITH DEVELOPERS, WITH LARGE LANDOWNERS. IN OUR CASE IN RUSKIN WE DID A LOT OF COMPROMISING. I CERTAINLY DIDN'T GET EVERYTHING I WANTED IN MY COMMUNITY PLAN, BUT I WOULDN'T DARE COME DOWN HERE AND ASK YOU TO GIVE ME SOME -- WHAT I WANT IN MY COMMUNITY NOW THAT WE'VE ALL AGREED ON THE COMPROMISE THAT WAS THE RUSKIN COMMUNITY PLAN. AND THEN AFTER OUR PLAN WAS SET, OUR COMMUNITY HAS -- JUST LIKE THE LMR DEVELOPER REPRESENTATIVE REPRESENTED TONIGHT, MY COMMUNITY HAS WORKED WITH DEVELOPERS. SURE, WE'VE HAD TO FIGHT THE SAME BATTLES AS KEYSTONE AND FIGHT AGAINST DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN CONTRARY TO OUR COMMUNITY PLAN, LIKE THIS PROPOSAL, BUT WE'VE ALSO WORKED WITH DEVELOPERS AND SAT DOWN WITH THEM IN OUR COMMUNITY AND FOUND COMMON GROUND AND GOTTEN THEM TO BUILD PROJECTS AND APPLY FOR REZONINGS THAT WE HAVE THEN COME AS A COMMUNITY AND SUPPORTED. WE'VE SUPPORTED THEIR REZONING APPLICATIONS WHEN THEY WORKED WITH US BECAUSE THEY WORKED IN OUR COMMUNITY PLAN, AND THAT'S WHAT THESE COMMUNITY PLANS CAN BE. THEY CAN BE A FRAMEWORK FOR DISCUSSION, FOR COMPROMISE, FOR AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE COMMUNITIES AND THE LANDOWNERS, BUT IF YOU ALLOW THIS DEVELOPER TO -- TO TAKE HIS PROPERTY OUT, YOU WEAKEN ALL COMMUNITY PLANS. YOU GIVE AN INCENTIVE FOR ALL DEVELOPERS TO WORK AROUND THE COMMUNITY INSTEAD OF WITH THE COMMUNITY. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>KEN HAGAN: THANK YOU, MS. SMITH. NEXT, PLEASE. [APPLAUSE] WELCOME. >> GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. MY NAME IS JOHN STRAIN. I LIVE AT 17120 RAINBOW TERRACE, ODESSA, FLORIDA, AND THIS PLAN, THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR A LAND USE CATEGORY THAT DOES NOT FIT IN OUR COMMUNITY. SMU-6, SUBURBAN MIXED USE IS OBVIOUSLY A SUBURBAN LAND USE CATEGORY. THE PARCEL IS IN OUR RURAL AREA, HENCE SMU-6 IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA AND OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. OUR COMP PLAN ESTABLISHES THREE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT AS A GROWTH MANAGEMENT TOOL, URBAN, SUBURBAN, AND RURAL. WE ARE DEVELOPED -- WE ALSO DEVELOPED THE URBAN SERVICE AREA BOUNDARY AS A GROWTH MANAGEMENT AND INFRASTRUCTURE CROSS-CONTROL STRATEGY, THE BOUNDARY SEPARATING URBAN AND SUBURBAN AREAS FROM THE RURAL AREAS. THE USA IS FOR -- THE URBAN SERVICE AREA RECEIVES HIGHER DENSITIES AND MORE INFRASTRUCTURE SERVICES. KEYSTONE IS RURAL AND IS LOCATED IN THE RURAL SERVICE AREA. DESPITE HIS CLAIMS THAT THERE ARE SUBURBAN-LIKE SECTIONS WITHIN THE VICINITY, THE AREA IS PREDOMINANTLY RURAL. YOUR STAFF OF 104 PROFESSIONAL PLANNERS RECOGNIZE KEYSTONE AS RURAL. THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY IS OUTSIDE OF THE URBAN SERVICE AREA. THE APPLICANT'S ENTIRE 320-ACRE PARCEL WAS APPROVED FOR A BORROW PIT BECAUSE IT IS IN THE RURAL AREA. AT THE BORROW PIT HEARINGS THE ENTIRE 320 AREAS WAS TOUTED AS RURAL AND PERFECT FOR A BORROW PIT. THE 35 ACRES IS PART OF THIS LARGER PARCEL THAT WAS JUST RECENTLY GRANTED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A BORROW PIT. EVEN THE LAND USE HEARING OFFICER IN APPROVING THE PIT SAID THAT THIS LAND WAS COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING AND PLANNED USE AS STIPULATED IN THE FUTURE OF THE HILLSBOROUGH COMP PLAN. AN INCREASE IN THE DENSITY AND INTENSITY OF THE LAND USE WOULD NOT BE COMPATIBLE WITH THIS USE OF THE ADJACENT LAND FOR A PIT. AND THANK YOU. PLEASE REJECT HIS APPLICATION. >>KEN HAGAN: THANK YOU, SIR. NEXT, PLEASE. [APPLAUSE] WELCOME. >> THANK YOU. I'M TOM LEVIN, 2402 CARROLL PLACE. I'VE LIVED IN NORTHWEST HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY MOST OF MY LIFE. MY FIRST ZONING HEARING I EVER WENT TO WAS THE TURKEY OAK - - I THINK IT WAS TURKEY OAK LAKE. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE REMEMBERS THAT. PROBABLY 1975. IT WAS -- IT'S THE APARTMENT COMPLEX ON VAN DYKE NOW, THE - - WHAT'S THE NAME OF IT NOW, THE -- >> [INAUDIBLE] >> CARLTON ARMS, YES. YOU KNOW -- AND AT THAT TIME IT WAS DEFINITELY A RURAL AREA, AND THINGS HAVE CHANGED OVER TIME, AND I KNOW THAT. MY PARENTS HAD TEN ACRES THAT GOT COMPLETELY OBLITERATED BY THE SUNCOAST EXPRESSWAY. I ATTENDED THE SECOND SCHOOL BUILT IN THE AREA, WAS THE GRADUATING CLASS -- FIRST GRADUATING CLASS FROM CARROLLWOOD ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, AND SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA. I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE, AND I'VE HAD PEOPLE WHO'VE ASKED ME TO COME HERE AND OBJECT TO THIS APPLICATION, AND I'VE HAD PEOPLE ASK ME TO SUPPORT THIS APPLICATION, AND I'M JUST GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHAT I KNOW AND WHAT I BELIEVE, AND I ALSO -- YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GOING TO DEBATE WHETHER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS KEYSTONE RURAL, DOES IT NEED MORE COMMERCIAL, DOES IT NOT NEED MORE COMMERCIAL. A LITTLE BACKGROUND. I'M A CERTIFIED AICP PLANNER, REGISTERED LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, AND A BOARD CERTIFIED ENVIRONMENTAL PROFESSIONAL, AND SO I DO WORK IN THE AREA AND HAVE, YOU KNOW, WORKED IN DEVELOPMENT, I'M FAMILIAR WITH IT, AND SEEN THE CHANGES IN THE AREA AND TRIED TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE. BUT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A COMMUNITY PLAN -- WHICH I THINK IS A GOOD THING -- KEYSTONE -- YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT - - ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS IS DEFINABLE AND DEFENSIBLE BOUNDARIES, AND, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN -- RAILROADS, ROADS, WETLANDS, THERE'S ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF BOUNDARIES THAT CAN BE USED, BUT FOR SOMEPLACE LIKE KEYSTONE THAT'S WANTING TO BE MORE LOW-DENSITY, OPEN SPACE AND WETLANDS ARE A BETTER BOUNDARY THAN ROADWAYS AND EXPRESSWAYS, AND WHEN WE LOOK AT THE PLAN -- AND I THINK IT'S BEEN SAID ALREADY -- THE MAJORITY OF THE KEYSTONE AREA IS DEFINED BY THE HEADWATERS, BROOKER CREEK, UP UNTIL IT GETS TO THE LUTZ-LAKE FERN ROAD, AND THEN IT JOGS ALONG THE ROAD AND GOES UP. WHAT -- WHEN I LOOK AT THAT I THINK IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, WHY IS IT THAT WAY, WHAT'S THE CHARACTER OF THE SPACE? WHEN YOU DRIVE DOWN THAT ROAD, YOU GET TO THE POINT WHERE THE BROOKER CREEK HEADWATERS ARE AND YOU COME THROUGH A WALL OF CYPRESS TREES, AND WHEN YOU CROSS THAT PATH YOU FEEL YOU'RE DEFINITELY IN A DIFFERENT PLACE. WHEN YOU COME BACK THE OTHER WAY TOWARDS DALE MABRY, YOU HEAD THAT DIRECTION AND YOU SEE CHEVAL AND THE BACKS OF HOUSES AND THE FENCES AND WALLS, AND PLANNING COMMISSION SAYS THAT'S A GOOD BOUNDARY, BUT WHEN YOU DRIVE DOWN THERE, YOU DON'T GET THE FEEL -- >>KEN HAGAN: THANK YOU, MR. LEVIN. >> -- THAT THERE'S A COMPATIBILITY BETWEEN THE TWO SIDES THERE. THANK YOU. >>KEN HAGAN: THANK YOU. NEXT, PLEASE. WELCOME, MS. FLOTT. >> GOOD EVENING. TERRY FLOTT, UNITED CITIZENS ACTION NETWORK, AND I JUST WAS HERE TONIGHT TO -- I'M HERE IN THE SAME RESPECT AS MARIELLA WAS HERE, MARIELLA SMITH WHO SPOKE BEFORE, AND THAT IS WE'RE HERE TO PROTECT COMMUNITY PLANS. THE ONLY WAY TO CALL THIS WILL BE DEATH BY A THOUSAND CUTS. YOU'RE GOING TO KILL A COMMUNITY SLOWLY AND PAINFULLY. PEOPLE WORKED HARD FOR THIS. WE HAVE TO SUPPORT OUR COMMUNITY PLANS. YOU COMMISSIONERS, MR. NORMAN, ADVOCATE STRONG COMMUNITY PLANS, AND I EXPECT TONIGHT THAT YOU GUYS WILL SUPPORT THIS IN THE SENSE OF SUPPORTING WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS, NOT WHAT ONE PERSON WANTS. SO I WOULD HOPE AGAIN THAT YOU WILL SUPPORT WHAT YOU'VE ADVOCATED AND SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY PLAN TONIGHT. AND ONE OTHER THING. THERE'S BEEN A -- WAS SOME TALK ABOUT IT BEING A HIGHWAY AND INTERSTATE RULES. THIS I THOUGHT WAS AN EXPRESSWAY. EXPRESSWAY DOESN'T CALL FOR EXITS AT EVERY CORNER OR EVERY CROSSROAD, SO I HOPE YOU WILL REMEMBER THAT AND NOT BE BLINDED BY WORDS RATHER THAN FACT. THANK YOU. >>KEN HAGAN: THANK YOU, MS. FLOTT. NEXT, PLEASE. >> HELLO. >>KEN HAGAN: WELCOME, SIR. >> KEVIN MacDONALD, 9301 POST ROAD, ODESSA, FLORIDA 33556. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT AND TAXPAYER OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SINCE 1972. I'VE LIVED IN ODESSA FOR THE PAST 14 YEARS, AND WHEN I MOVED INTO MY HOUSE IN ODESSA, I USED TO BE ABLE TO WALK OUT IN THE BACKYARD AND LOOK UP AT THE SKY AT NIGHT AND SEE THOUSANDS OF STARS. OBVIOUSLY WITH THE URBAN SPRAWL THAT'S AFFECTED MY AREA, I NO LONGER GET TO ENJOY THAT. EVERY TIME I NOW DRIVE DOWN A STREET AND I SEE AN ORANGE GROVE BEING RIPPED OUT OR A COW PASTURE BEING MOWED OVER AND PAVED OVER, I KIND OF KICK MYSELF IN THE BUTT FOR NEVER COMING DOWN HERE TO SPEAK UP AGAINST IT. YOU KNOW, I TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF OFFENSE TO SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT WERE SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF THE DEVELOPMENT THINKING THAT WE'RE A BUNCH OF LIBERALS. I'M NOT ONE OF THE USUAL SUSPECTS THAT GETS UP HERE AND SPEAKS. I'M VERY CONSERVATIVE, BUT I DO ENJOY THE LITTLE THINGS IN LIFE SUCH AS GOING OUT AT NIGHT AND LOOKING AT STARS OR GETTING A GLASS OF WATER, SOMETHING THAT WE'RE RUNNING SHORT OF THESE DAYS, SO I WORK TWO JOBS, I COACH MY CHILDREN'S SOCCER TEAM, AMONGST OTHER THINGS. I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME TO COME DOWN HERE AND SPEAK VERY OFTEN, BUT IF I DIDN'T COME DOWN TONIGHT I KNOW I'D BE SURE -- I' SURE BE KICKING MYSELF IN THE BUTT, SO I HOPE THAT YOU'LL TAKE MY POINT OF VIEW INTO CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. >>KEN HAGAN: THANK YOU, SIR. ANYONE ELSE? [APPLAUSE] WELCOME. >> HI. MY NAME IS LISA BARNES. I RESIDE AT 19704 RACEY DRIVE IN LUTZ. I'M COMING UP HERE TONIGHT TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF MAYBE HAVING A LITTLE COMMERCIAL PUT ON THE OFF RAMP THERE. I'M A SINGLE MOM, AND I HAVE TWO VERY SMALL CHILDREN, AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT CONVENIENCE THESE DAYS IS NICE, AND WITH TWO SMALL CHILDREN, YOU KNOW, HAVING TO DRIVE FIVE, TEN MILES DOWN THE ROAD, IT IS AN INCONVENIENCE. YOU KNOW, THESE DAYS TIMES HAVE CHANGED. IT'S NOT THE OLD DAYS, AND EVERYONE LIVES FOR CONVENIENCE, AND I'VE LIVED OUT THERE FOR TEN YEARS. I MOVED OUT IN LUTZ IN 1989, AND I'M -- I'VE -- WHEN I WAS OUT THERE ORIGINALLY -- WHEN I MOVED OUT THERE, THERE WAS NOTHING, AND NOW THAT I HAVE KIDS, THE CONVENIENCE WOULD HELP. I KNOW THAT PEOPLE SAY THAT YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE A GAS STATION OR A STARBUCKS ON EVERY EXIT RAMP ON THE HIGHWAY, BUT, YOU KNOW, MY CAR RUNS ON LOW SOMETIMES AND I NEED GAS, AND IF THERE'S NOT AN OFF RAMP AND I HAVE TO RUN TEN -- KEEP DRIVING TEN MILES DOWN THE ROAD, YOU KNOW, I MIGHT RUN OUT OF GAS, AND BEING IN THE CAR WITH TWO SMALL KIDS AT, YOU KNOW, 8:00 AT NIGHT, THAT WOULDN'T BE VERY SAFE, SO I'M HERE TO HOPE THAT YOU GUYS WILL APPROVE THIS, AND LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, TIMES CHANGE, AND IT'S GROWTH, IT'S ECONOMIC -- IT WOULD HELP THE COMMUNITY, PEOPLE WOULD HAVE JOBS, SO PLEASE -- PLEASE VOTE FOR IT. THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] >>KEN HAGAN: WELCOME. >> TOM ADERHOLD, 5215 WILCOX ROAD, KEYSTONE. ALSO THE PRESIDENT OF THE KEYSTONE CIVIC ASSOCIATION, MEMBERSHIP SCATTERED OVER 35 SQUARE MILES OF KEYSTONE. PLEASE, IF YOU WOULD, ASK ALL THE PRIOR SPEAKERS WHO SUPPORTED THE AMENDMENT TO COME BACK UP AND TELL YOU THEIR AFFILIATION WITH MR. DIBBS. I RECOGNIZE ABOUT HALF OF THEM TO BE BUSINESS ASSOCIATES AND/OR FAMILY MEMBERS. ALMOST ALL OF THEM DO NOT LIVE -- DO NOT LIVE IN KEYSTONE. EVERYBODY ELSE THAT OPPOSES THIS THING LIVES IN KEYSTONE. YEAH, YOU SEE A GREAT NUMBER OF THE SAME PEOPLE COME UP BECAUSE THEY FEEL FERVENTLY ABOUT DEFENDING OUR PART OF THE WORLD AND WHAT IT REPRESENTS, SO PLEASE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS TONIGHT HAVE A VESTED INTEREST OF SOME SORT IN THIS PROJECT. THE REST OF US HAVE A VESTED INTEREST, BUT IT'S ONLY TO MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF OUR COMMUNITY AND THE NATURE OF OUR COMMUNITY. AFTER YEARS OF EXTENSIVE STUDY AND DEVELOPMENT, WE ADOPTED A COMMUNITYWIDE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT IS DESIGNED TO BE OUR ROAD MAP AND HAS DEFINED -- HAS A DEFINED E.A.R. CYCLE FOR UPDATES. OUR COMMUNITY PLANS ALSO -- WITH SIMILARLY DEMANDING DEVELOPMENT, BUT WE ARE ONLY NOW OUTLINING AN E.A.R. PROCESS TO UPDATE THEM. THIS ADVANCES THAT TIME FRAME AND IS ABSOLUTELY OUT OF PLACE AND OUT OF SYNC. BEGINNING IN 2008 THE APPLICANT HAS CONSUMED THE TIME AND RESOURCES OF THIS COUNTY AND ITS TAXPAYERS ONLY BECAUSE HE HAS THE RIGHT TO ASK FOR THE ABSURD. THE ABSURDITY OCCURS AT THREE LEVELS. ONE, THESE AMENDMENTS ARE NOT SEEKING MINOR CHANGES BUT INSTEAD CHANGE TO THE FUNDAMENTAL DESIGN OF THE COMP PLAN AND COMMUNITY PLAN WITHOUT REGARD FOR THE IMPACTS OR USUAL UPDATE CYCLE. TWO, TO JUSTIFY HIS CHANGES, THE APPLICANT WANTS YOU TO BELIEVE THAT HE, HIS ATTORNEY, ENGINEER, CIVIL PLANNER HAVE GREATER CREDENTIALS AND EXPERIENCE THAN YOUR COMBINED STAFF OF 35 PROFESSIONAL PLANNERS IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND 61 PROFESSIONAL PLANNERS IN PLANNING AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT. AND IF YOU ADD THE FOUR SCIENTISTS AND FOUR ENGINEERS, THAT'S 104 PROFESSIONALS ON YOUR STAFF AGAINST THESE FOUR HIRED GUNS, AND THEY WANT YOU TO BELIEVE THEY HAVE GREATER EXPERTISE THAN ALL YOUR COMBINED STAFF. HE IS ALSO ASKING YOU TO SUMMARILY DISMISS THE INTENT AND BODY OF OUR GOVERNING LAWS SIMPLY BECAUSE HE HAS THE RIGHT TO ASK; HOWEVER, YOU COMMISSIONERS ARE CHARGED WITH A DUTY TO SAY NO TO THESE AMENDMENTS BECAUSE YOUR STAFF AND THE COMMUNITY HAVE DETERMINED THESE AMENDMENTS TO BE UNFIT, IN THEIR TERMS INCONSISTENT AND INCOMPATIBLE WITH OUR PLANS FOR OUR FUTURE, AND I THANK YOU VERY MUCH. PLEASE DENY BOTH OF THESE AMENDMENTS THIS EVENING. IT WILL MAKE A LOT OF COMMUNITY PEOPLE VERY, VERY HAPPY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>KEN HAGAN: THANK YOU, SIR. [APPLAUSE] ANYONE ELSE? YOU'VE ALREADY SPOKEN, RIGHT? >> I HAVE, SIR. >>KEN HAGAN: I'M SORRY, NO ONE ELSE CAN SPEAK TWICE. >> I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY SOMETHING THIS GENTLEMAN SAID. >>KEN HAGAN: I'M SORRY, SIR, YOU CAN'T SPEAK TWICE. >> NOBODY'S RECEIVED A DOLLAR FROM MR. DIBBS. >>KEN HAGAN: THANK YOU, SIR. >> AND I'D LIKE TO SEE THIS MAN OUTSIDE OFF OF COUNTY PROPERTY. >>ROSE FERLITA: SIR, YOU'RE OUT OF ORDER. >>KEN HAGAN: ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. THE APPLICANT HAS TEN-MINUTE REBUTTAL. >> I'LL TAKE YOU. >>KEN HAGAN: COME ON. >> MR. CHAIRMAN AND BOARD MEMBERS, TODD PRESSMAN AGAIN FOR THE RECORD. I'LL SAY AGAIN AT THE TOP THAT I HAVE RESPECT FOR EVERY CITIZEN THAT'S HERE, THE FOLKS WHO ARE HERE FOR AND THE FOLKS WHO ARE AGAINST. THEY HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AND ABOUT THEIR COMMUNITY, AND I THINK SOME GOOD POINTS WERE RAISED. BUT ONE THING COMES TO MIND, WHICH IS THE BEST LAID PLANS OF MEN AND MICE, AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS REALLY SIMILAR TO SOME OF THE THROES THAT YOU'RE GOING THROUGH NOW WHERE YOU HAVE FIVE-YEAR FINANCIAL PLANS THAT FIVE YEARS AGO YOU HAD A BEAUTIFUL FINANCIAL PLAN AS EVERYBODY ELSE DID, AND THE OTHER DAY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FIRING A THOUSAND EMPLOYEES. THIS PLAN WAS CONCEIVED APPROXIMATELY TEN YEARS AGO, AND THERE'S BEEN NO CHANGE TO IT, AND ALL WE'RE SAYING TONIGHT IS THAT THERE ARE A UNIQUE SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES AND CHANGES THAT ARE OCCURRING. I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THEM, I'M NOT GOING TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE. THAT'S ALL WE'RE SAYING TONIGHT. AND IN THE SAME REGARD THAT YOU'VE HEARD FROM TWO SETS OF PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT, YOU'VE HEARD FROM -- WHAT I UNDERSTOOD FROM ADDRESSES AND FROM FOLKS THAT I KNOW, YOU'VE HEARD FROM FOLKS WHO TYPICALLY RESIDE IN THE HEART OF THE KEYSTONE-ODESSA AREA, BUT YOU HEARD FROM ANOTHER SET OF PEOPLE -- BY THE WAY, THESE ARE REAL CITIZENS. THEY GAVE THEIR ADDRESSES, THEY DO LIVE OUT IN THE AREA, I CHECKED WITH A FEW OF THEM BEFORE I CAME BACK UP TO SPEAK, AND TO MY UNDERSTANDING THEY'RE NOT INVOLVED IN A FINANCIAL DEALINGS WITH MR. DIBBS. MR. RON BENT IS. THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT I'M FAMILIAR WITH. YOU HEARD A DIFFERENT STORY. THE FOLKS WHO RESIDE IN THIS PART OF THE KEYSTONE-ODESSA PLAN WANT A CHANGE. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE BEING FACED WITH TONIGHT. I HOPE THAT WE HAVE PRESENTED HERE ENOUGH TO BRING SOME DOUBT TO YOU, TO BRING A REVIEW OF THE WEIGHING OF THE FACTS AND THE POLICIES BY AN IMPARTIAL -- NOT THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION ISN'T -- BY AN IMPARTIAL PROFESSIONAL GROUP, THE DCA, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT THIS VOTE IS ABOUT. AGAIN, IN SUMMARY, TO TRANSMIT TO DCA TO GET THEIR REVIEW, OBJECTIONS, AND RECOMMENDATIONS. WE THINK IT'S NEEDED, WE THINK AT THIS TIME IT'S WHAT'S REQUIRED. MR. ALLISON WILL MAKE A VERY SHORT STATEMENT. THANK YOU, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR PATIENCE AND TIME AND ATTENTION. >> I WAS GOING TO MAKE SEVERAL STATEMENTS, BUT I KNOW YOU WANT TO HEAR IT AND NO ONE ELSE DOES EITHER. I'LL ONLY SAY THAT IN TERMS OF WHAT THIS AMENDMENT WOULD PROSPECTIVELY DO, IT GIVES US THE RIGHT TO ASK FOR THINGS. IT DOESN'T GIVE US LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, AS WAS SUGGESTED, OR 175,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL. IT WOULD ALLOW US TO FILE A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT THAT GOES THROUGH A NOTICED PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS AND THE APPROPRIATENESS OF ANYTHING WE WOULD EVER PROPOSE WOULD BE DETERMINED BY THIS BOARD. THANK YOU. >>KEN HAGAN: THANK YOU, SIR. COMMISSIONER HIGGINBOTHAM. >>AL HIGGINBOTHAM: YES. I'VE LISTENED WITH INTEREST TONIGHT TO PARTIES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE. I'VE READ THE MATERIAL, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT ANY APPLICANT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY AND THE RIGHT AND THE PRIVILEGE TO COME FORTH AND MAKE A REQUEST, AND WITH THAT, I'LL MOVE FOR DENIAL. >>KEN HAGAN: COMMISSIONER FERLITA. >>ROSE FERLITA: [INAUDIBLE] >>MARK SHARPE: HE'S MOVED FOR DENIAL. >>KEN HAGAN: DENIAL OF CPA 08-09. >>ROSE FERLITA: YES. I'D LIKE TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS, BUT I WAS CONFUSED OF WHERE YOU WERE GOING WITH THAT, MR. HIGGINBOTHAM. YOU ARE NOT SUPPORTING -- >>AL HIGGINBOTHAM: NO, I MOVED FOR DENIAL. YES, MA'AM. >>ROSE FERLITA: FINE. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT YOU SAID, BUT I DIDN'T QUITE FOLLOW IT. LET ME MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS AS TO WHY I'M GOING TO SECOND THE MOTION FOR DENIAL. FIRST OF ALL, ON THE AGIA PROPERTY, AND I THINK THEY WERE REFERRED TO IN THE PETITIONER'S PRESENTATION, AND I THINK EVERYTHING CERTAINLY STANDS ON ITS OWN. THIS IS A UNIQUE COMPARISON IN THAT THE AGIA PROPERTY WAS IN PLACE LONG BEFORE THIS PLAN WAS SET, AND A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD, MR. POWELL IN THEIR BEHALF ANSWERED THEM. THIS WAS CERTAINLY A VERY, VERY LONG TIME AGO, BUT THERE WERE -- IT WAS RURALLY CONDITIONED, AND THERE WAS A GREAT DEAL OF INTERACTION FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND AND WHAT MY RESEARCH SHOWS WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND WITH THE COMMUNITY THAT WAS INVOLVED, AND I APPRECIATE THAT. IN TERMS OF WHAT WAS REQUESTED TONIGHT, I GUESS SOMETIMES IF SOMETHING IS A VERY, VERY TIGHT DECISION, IT'S GOOD TO ASK DCA FOR INPUT AND LOOK AT THAT AS WELL AS YOU'RE DOING YOUR HOMEWORK. THIS IS CERTAINLY NOT ONE OF THOSE. THE FACTS ARE CLEAR, IT'S INCONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD NOT SUPPORT. SOME PEOPLE MADE MENTION OF THE FACT THAT THIS WAS NOT ATTENDED JUST SIMPLY BY PEOPLE THAT WERE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY. MAYBE NOT, BUT WHAT WE DO FOR ONE WE DO FOR OTHERS, AND WHERE WE VIOLATE OR DISRESPECT COMMUNITY PLANS FOR ONE, WE DISRESPECT IT FOR OTHERS. THE GENTLEMAN IN THE BACK -- AND I'M SORRY, HE CONTINUED TO KIND OF BEAT HIMSELF UP ABOUT NOT BEING HERE. SIR, WHEN I WAS RUNNING FOR OFFICE I NEVER MET YOU, I DON'T BELIEVE, BUT I DID MEET UP WITH MANY COMMUNITY PLANS, AND THAT WAS THE BIBLE, AND THAT WAS YOUR MESSAGE TO US UP HERE IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU WANTED FOR YOUR COMMUNITY, SO YOU WERE REPRESENTED, AND I DON'T THINK YOU REALLY SHOULD FEEL BAD ABOUT NOT ATTENDING. I'M GLAD THAT CERTAINLY THE PROCESS GOT YOU OUT OF YOUR HOME AND LET US KNOW EYEBALL TO EYEBALL WHAT YOU THINK. MR. PRESSMAN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETIMES THINGS ARE NOT EXACTLY WHAT THEY NEEDED TO BE A LONG TIME AGO, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THERE ARE MECHANISMS AND PROCESSES, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IN 2010 THE PEOPLE THAT WERE NOT SATISFIED WITH THE ORIGINAL FORMULATION OF THIS COMP PLAN -- I MEAN OF THIS COMMUNITY PLAN HAVE THE OPTION TO COME BACK AND TELL THIS BOARD OR WHOEVER'S SITTING UP HERE AT THE TIME WHAT THEY WANT CHANGED. SOMETIMES THINGS SHOULD NOT BE SET IN PERPETUITY, BUT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW AN ORGANIZED PROCESS. SO ALL THAT BEING SAID, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE INVOLVEMENT OF PEOPLE FROM THAT COMMUNITY AND OUTSIDE OF THAT COMMUNITY, AND I STRONGLY SUPPORT, AGAIN, THE MOTION TO DENY. >>KEN HAGAN: COMMISSIONER SHARPE. >>MARK SHARPE: I WANT TO THANK THE -- THE INDIVIDUALS WHO CAME BEFORE US, BOTH THE APPLICANTS, AND THEY WERE WELL REPRESENTED BY MR. PRESSMAN AND THE CITIZENS WHO SPOKE IN FAVOR, AS WELL AS THE CITIZENS WHO -- WHO'VE COME OUT AND SPOKEN AGAINST. I THINK THAT THE -- BUT THE POINTS MADE BY COMMISSIONER FERLITA, I THINK, ARE PRETTY COGENT, IN PARTICULAR THE MAIN TWO. IT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE COMMUNITY-BASED PLANS AND IT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND THERE IS A PROCESS. IF -- AND WE'VE HAD THIS IN THE PAST. WE'VE HAD APPLICANTS WHO COME, AND THEY'VE MADE A CASE. THEY'VE SUGGESTED THAT, LOOK, THIS IS NOT A RURAL AREA, THIS IS MORE LIKE A SUBURBAN AREA, BUT ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WAS ANSWERED BY I GUESS ONE OF THE SPEAKERS WHEN THEY SUGGESTED THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CASE FOR IT BEING RURAL WAS MADE WHEN THEY ESTABLISHED IT AS A LOCATION THAT WAS FIT FOR A BORROW PIT, AND SO NOW WE'RE SUGGESTING THAT IT'S NO LONGER A RURAL AREA, THAT IS ACTUALLY A SUBURBAN AREA, AND THAT IS A DECISION THAT MUST BE MADE WITH THE COMMUNITY'S CONSENT, AND I WOULD SUGGEST STRONGLY THAT -- THAT WHEN THE OPPORTUNITY COMES FOR THE CITIZENS TO SIT BACK DOWN AND TALK ABOUT REAPPRAISING THE COMMUNITY-BASED PLAN, YOU MAY DO THAT. I DON'T THINK, THOUGH, THAT IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA, AND FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. ONE, WE'VE BEEN WORKING DILL JOINTLY TO TRY TO FOCUS OUR GROWTH IN CERTAIN AREAS. EVEN THE CASE THAT WAS MADE REGARDING THE ISSUE OF BEING IN PROXIMITY TO AN INTERSTATE, AND, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY IT'S A LIMITED ACCESS TOLL ROAD, AND IN FACT, ONE OF THE CASES THAT I'VE MADE IN SUPPORT IN THE PAST OF EXPRESSWAYS OR TOLL ROADS IS THAT IT WOULD NOT BE EACH TIME YOU HAD AN INGRESS OR EGRESS A DUMPING GROUND FOR A NEW DEVELOPMENT BUT AN OPPORTUNITY REALLY TO MOVE TRAFFIC THROUGH A REGION, AND SO I DON'T AGREE THAT YOU WOULD USE THIS -- THIS LIMITED ACCESS TOLL ROAD AS A MEANS OR A -- FOR ARGUING FOR THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT. I THINK THIS WILL BE WRONG. AND THEN AGAIN, WE HAVE THE ISSUE JUST OF SPRAWL. IF THIS WERE TO BE APPROVED, THEN THE NEXT AREA UP WOULD BE ARGUING THAT IT'S NOW IN PROXIMITY TO A DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD THEN ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO SAY WE WANT THE SAME TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, AND THEN WE WOULD BE DEFEATING THE VERY PURPOSE WE HAVE WITH AN URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY AND URBAN SERVICE AREA, WHICH IS TO RESTRICT GROWTH, SO FOR THOSE REASONS, I WILL BE SUPPORTING DENIAL. >>KEN HAGAN: COMMISSIONER BECKNER. >>KEVIN BECKNER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. GROWTH IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF OUR COMMUNITY. CHANGE WE KNOW INTIMATELY COMES, AND IT COMES AT DIFFERENT PERIODS IN TIMES, AND I THINK WHEN WE TAKE A LOOK AT GROWTH IN OUR COMMUNITY, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT WE FOCUS ON IS SUSTAINABLE GROWTH OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, AND THAT'S ONE THING THAT WE HAVE NOT HAD ALWAYS IN OUR COMMUNITY. IT'S HOW WE'VE HAD SPRAWL, IT'S HOW WE'VE HAD SOME OF THE MESS THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW, AND HOW WE GET SOME OF THAT SUSTAINABLE GROWTH IS THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY PLANS. CITIZENS COME TOGETHER, THEY WORK EXTRAORDINARY HARD TO PUT THESE PLANS TOGETHER, AND, YES, THIS PLAN MAY NOT HAVE BEEN REVIEWED IN TEN YEARS, BUT A PROCESS DOES COME TOGETHER WHERE THAT ALLOWS THE CITIZENS TO COME TOGETHER TO REVIEW THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND TO REVIEW THEIR DESIRES THAT WOULD REFLECT THE PRESENT. AND RIGHT NOW I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE PROCESS WHERE YOU START CHANGING THE COMMUNITY PLAN. YOU DO THAT THROUGH A -- THE PROCESS, AND IT'S DONE BY THE -- BY THAT -- BY THE CITIZENS AND NOT BY CHANGING IT IN MIDSTREAM, SO FOR THOSE REASONS, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY PLAN FOR ME IS THE GOLDEN BOOK FOR PLANNING FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND AGAIN, IF CITIZENS DESIRE MORE GROWTH UP IN THE KEYSTONE AREA, THEN THEY NEED TO PLACE THAT INTO THE COMMUNITY PLAN, AND THAT WILL BE DURING THE NEXT CYCLE WHEN THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REWRITE THAT PLAN. SO I CAN'T SUPPORT EITHER ONE EITHER. >>KEN HAGAN: COMMISSIONER NORMAN. >>JIM NORMAN: AND AGAIN, I LIKE ACTUALLY THE SPIRITED WORK BY THE COMMUNITY. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE, AND THERE ARE DIFFERENCES OF OPINIONS. I MEAN, ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONTROVERSIES WE ARE RIGHT NOW ARE PUTTING IN SPEED BUMPS OR NOT. I MEAN, YOU CAN'T IMAGINE HOW PEOPLE GET SO EXCITED OVER THE SMALL -- SMALLEST THING, BUT ANY CHANGE OR ANY DIFFERENCE, PEOPLE HAVE A PASSION ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY, AND IT'S GREAT. I MEAN, IT'S ACTUALLY -- THAT'S WHY YOU RUN FOR OFFICE. YOU REALLY -- IF YOU DON'T APPRECIATE THAT, THEN YOU'RE IN THE WRONG PLACE. THE MOTION WE MADE A COUPLE -- YOU KNOW, LAST WEEK OR WEEK BEFORE OR WHATEVER ABOUT OPENING THE PLANS UP, I THINK THAT'S A FAIR PROPERTY RIGHTS ISSUE THAT THIS BOARD UNDERTOOK THAT THERE SHOULD BE THE COMMUNITY PLANS ARE IN PLACE AND -- BY THE PROPERTY RIGHTS ISSUE THAT I FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT IS THEY SHOULD HAVE REVIEW WHERE EVERYBODY'S PROPERTY -- AND THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO ADDRESS ANY PLAN THEIR PROPERTY IS WITHIN, AND I BELIEVE WE'VE PUT THAT IN PLACE, THAT CYCLE IS IN PLACE, AND I BELIEVE ALL PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN INSTITUTED IN THE COMP PLAN SHOULD HAVE A DUE DATE OF REVIEW, AND THAT IS FAIR, THAT IS FAIR FROM ALL SIDES, AND I BELIEVE WE'RE GOING DOWN THAT ROAD, AND ACTUALLY, WHEN IT WAS INITIATED, IT WAS ALWAYS CONTEMPLATED FROM MY PERSPECTIVE THAT THEY WOULD BE REVIEWED, AND NOW THIS ONE, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S SOME CONTROVERSY, AND ONCE I BELIEVE IT'S, ONCE AGAIN, DISCUSSED AND HAS ANOTHER CYCLE OF REVIEW, THEN EVERYONE WILL BE IN A COMFORT ZONE AGAIN FOR WHATEVER PERIOD OF TIME IS PLACED ON THEIR NEXT REVIEW TIME, SO MR. PRESSMAN, MR. ALLISON, YOU-ALL DID A VERY COMPETENT JOB, YOU WERE VERY POLITE, AND, HOWEVER, IF YOU FOLLOWED OUR BOARD A WEEK OR SO AGO, YOU SAW THE ACTION OF THIS BOARD, AND THAT'S WHERE I BELIEVE YOU ADDRESS A COMMUNITY, YOU MAKE YOUR CASE UP OR DOWN THERE. I BELIEVE THAT'S WHERE THE PROCESS IS. IT ISN'T HERE WHERE WE PULL IT OUT OF THE PLAN, WHATEVER. YOU HAVE A -- YOU HAVE A TIME PERIOD NOW, IT'S GOING TO BE HEARD, IT'S GOING TO BE REVIEWED, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S WHERE YOU MAKE YOUR CASE ABOUT ANY LINES OR ANY CHANGES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, AND IT'S ALL A PUBLIC MEETING AND IT'S ALL WITH THE INVOLVEMENT OF EVERYONE, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S WHERE IT'S TAKING PLACE. >>KEN HAGAN: COMMISSIONER WHITE. >>KEVIN WHITE: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I CONCUR WHOLEHEARTEDLY. ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO TELL THE APPLICANT, I REALLY WISH THAT -- WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO COMMEND YOU FOR YOUR DUE DILIGENCE THAT YOU DID. AT LEAST WE DIDN'T HAVE FOR THE FIRST TIME THAT I KNOW OF THAT WE HAVE THE COMMUNITY THAT COMES OUT IN AN UPROAR THAT IS SAYING THAT THE APPLICANT AND THE DEVELOPER, WHOEVER THAT MAY BE, HAS NEVER EVEN REACHED OUT AND TALKED TO US. SO EVIDENTLY YOU AT LEAST DID YOUR JOB THERE, BUT THIS PLAN WILL BE COMING UP FOR REVIEW ONCE AGAIN NEXT YEAR, IN NOVEMBER OR OCTOBER OF NEXT YEAR, SO I THINK THAT'S THE APPROPRIATE TIME THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANT TO SAY THAT WAS -- YOU MADE SOME VERY GOOD POINTS WHERE YOUR -- WHERE THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED. IT IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE EXPRESSWAY, AND THERE ARE SEVERAL GOOD KEY POINTS. IT'S JUST BAD TIMING. AND NOW IF -- WHAT YOU HAVE -- THE COMMUNITY KNOWS WHAT YOU WANT, THE DEVELOPER KNOWS WHAT HE WANTS, THEY HAVE OVER A YEAR TO TRY AND WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY, AND YOU'RE RIGHT ON THE FRINGE AND YOU'RE RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF THE KEYSTONE COMMUNITY PLAN AND THE URBAN SERVICE AREA, SO BETWEEN NOW AND THEN MAYBE YOU CAN GET WITH THE KEYSTONE FOLKS AND MAYBE WE CAN MOVE THAT LINE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, OR MAYBE THERE'S SOME COMMON GROUND OR SOME COMMON BOUNDARY THAT YOU CAN WORK ON SOMETIME -- SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN THAT TIME, AND ONE THING I KNOW, YEAH, WE DO HAVE SOME OF THE SAME PEOPLE DOWN HERE EACH AND EVERY LAND USE MEETING THAT WE HAVE, BUT I HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT IT'S BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE ARE SO PASSIONATE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT -- AND PRESERVING WHAT IT IS THAT THEY BOUGHT A PIECE OF, AND -- AND KNOWING THAT CHANGE WILL COME, THEY WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN THAT CHANGE BECAUSE I BELIEVE EVERYONE IN HERE -- OUT THERE THAT LIVES IN THE KEYSTONE-ODESSA, BALM-RIVERVIEW, THE ENTIRE AREA, THEY KNOW THAT CHANGE IS COMING. ONE DAY SOMETHING'S GOING TO ENCROACH ON THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, SOMETHING'S GOING TO ENCROACH ON THEIR COMMUNITY, BUT THEY WANT TO BE A PART OF WHAT ENCROACHES ON THEM, AND HOPEFULLY THEY CAN HAVE A SAY AND BE IN AGREEMENT BECAUSE THEY HAVE A WHOLEHEARTED STAKE. LIKE I SAID, I THINK THE DEVELOPER -- I'M GOING TO QUOTE SOMEONE OUT THERE THAT SAID HE BOUGHT IT IN 2004. WELL, SOME OF THESE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN IN THEIR PROPERTY FOR 30 OR 40 YEARS. AND THAT'S WHAT THEY BOUGHT INTO, THAT'S THE LIFESTYLE THEY BOUGHT INTO AND THAT'S WHAT THEY WANTED, AND THAT'S -- YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S THE LEGACY THEY WANT TO PRESERVE. SO LIKE I SAID, IF ANYTHING'S GOING TO ENCROACH IN THAT, I THINK THEY WANT THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, HEY, I CAN LIVE WITH THAT OR THAT'S JUST TOO FAR TO THE LEFT AND TOO EXTREME AND I'M GOING TO OPPOSE IT BECAUSE I'VE SEEN THE SAME TEN PEOPLE, AS SOMEONE ELSE SAID -- I'VE SEEN THE SAME TEN PEOPLE COME UP HERE AND APPLAUD A PROJECT AS WELL, SO WE HAVE TO GIVE THE SAME DIEHARD PEOPLE CREDIT AS WELL BECAUSE THEY HAVE COME UP AND SAID, HEY, WE'RE WHOLEHEARTEDLY IN SUPPORT OF A PROJECT AND WE WANT TO LET YOU-ALL KNOW THAT, WE DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK THAT WE JUST COME DOWN HERE WHEN WE'RE OPPOSING SOMETHING. SO I THINK THERE'S GOOD ON BOTH SIDES, BUT THE UNFORTUNATE REALITY IS THE TIMING AT THIS POINT IN TIME. SO I WON'T BE ABLE TO SUPPORT IT EITHER. >>KEN HAGAN: OKAY. WE'VE GOT A MOTION TO DENY CPA 08-09 BY COMMISSIONER HIGGINBOTHAM, SECOND COMMISSIONER FERLITA. PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE. >>RECORDING SECRETARY: MOTION CARRIED 7-0. >>KEN HAGAN: OKAY. WE NEED A MOTION ON CPA 09-01. >> MOVE TO DENY. >>ROSE FERLITA: MOVE TO DENY. >>KEN HAGAN: MOTION BY COMMISSIONER FERLITA. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >>KEVIN BECKNER: SECOND. >>KEN HAGAN: SECOND COMMISSIONER BECKNER. PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE. >>RECORDING SECRETARY: MOTION CARRIED 7-0. >>KEN HAGAN: NOW WE NEED A MOTION TO TRANSMIT CPA 09-02 AND 09-06. THOSE WERE THE TWO THAT WE PASSED DURING THE ORIGINAL HEARING. >>MARK SHARPE: [INAUDIBLE] >>KEVIN BECKNER: SECOND. >>KEN HAGAN: MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SHARPE, SECOND COMMISSIONER BECKNER. PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE. >>RECORDING SECRETARY: MOTION CARRIED 7-0. >>KEN HAGAN: MR. GORMLY, ANY OTHER ITEMS FOR THIS EVENING? >>ADAM GORMLY: NO, THAT CONCLUDES THE BUSINESS FOR THIS EVENING. >>KEN HAGAN: OKAY. THE NEXT HEARING WILL BE ON THURSDAY, JUNE 18th, AT 6:00. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. WE'RE ADJOURNED. [APPLAUSE] 1